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    Re: Bill Kristol: “It won’t kill the country” to raise taxes on millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    make everyone pay an effective rate of 15%

    big government will become far less popular
    It'll never happen, thankfully!

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    Re: Bill Kristol: “It won’t kill the country” to raise taxes on millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The rich are sacrificing their property and the middle class is sacrificing what? Programs paid for by someone else?
    What BS. Our FIT system is based on progressive taxes, it's not because we want to punish anybody. It's because they WORK. The progressive tax system increases growth and more specifically growth that is equal across all income classes. We are a consumer economy and we grow by increasing consumer spending not by cutting taxes on those that save most of their income anyway. So stop the whining, if you are paying higher taxes when this is all over it's because you are making more than 98% of us and an extra 3% on your income above $250,000 is peanuts for you.

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    Re: Bill Kristol: “It won’t kill the country” to raise taxes on millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    It'll never happen, thankfully!
    That's right; it will never happen. But not for reasons to be thankful for.

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    Re: Bill Kristol: “It won’t kill the country” to raise taxes on millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    A 10% raise in rates on income over $250,000 is "tearing down the rich"? It's call shared sacrifice, the middle class gets cus to programs for them and so do the rich.

    so what you are saying is that the middle class sacrifices by getting less goodies from the government and the rich sacrifice by paying moar taxes.

    the rich pay for the programs they use and the programs everyone else uses

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    Re: Bill Kristol: “It won’t kill the country” to raise taxes on millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so what you are saying is that the middle class sacrifices by getting less goodies from the government and the rich sacrifice by paying moar taxes.

    the rich pay for the programs they use and the programs everyone else uses
    And what about the poor and the "poor"?

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    Re: Bill Kristol: “It won’t kill the country” to raise taxes on millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so what you are saying is that the middle class sacrifices by getting less goodies from the government and the rich sacrifice by paying moar taxes.

    the rich pay for the programs they use and the programs everyone else uses
    Like McConnel said, dollar for dollar we trade our "goodies" for your "goodies". Believe me it will hurt us more. Happy now?

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    Re: Bill Kristol: “It won’t kill the country” to raise taxes on millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    And what about the poor and the "poor"?
    they pretty much live off the taxes of the rich as well

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    Re: Bill Kristol: “It won’t kill the country” to raise taxes on millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    That's right; it will never happen. But not for reasons to be thankful for.

    Depends on where your sitting...if you and your wife have to work part time in walmart because your job was outsourced and together you make 18,000 and you have a kid or two...you think they should pay 2700 in federal taxs...then state tax...then sales tax...then gas tax..then utility taxs..then have money to pay for food and clothing and shelter..and buy the kids shoes and haircuts and stuff for school...and pay for their drivers license registration and insurance...seriously are you kidding me...so after you take all these taxs out of them..which public assistance program do you recommend they go on...foodstamps ? medicaid ? rent and utitlity asst plus public paid housing.
    Really cmon think about what your trying to EXPECT from people...you need to really put yourself in their shoes...this fires me up really..note im going to give you a scenario real quick..and please if you would tell me where im wrong and where im an idiot.

    You have two people working husband and wife...one works in walmart 24 yrs and the other works in Publix supermarket works whats considered full time..32 hrs on minimum wage. Between the two lets say the earn per year...25,000, you want them to pay 15% flat federal tax.
    Thats 3750.00, then state income tax, and social security and unemployment ins. Then their rent in a craphole 1 br apt is 600 a month
    Then they have to buy food, pay their utils...the dont have a tv or cable and they dont have a phone. Now they have to pay transportation to and from work...they dont own a car cant afford it...but they still have to get to work. They still have to replace thier clothes now and then get a haircut and other of lifes necessities..THEY SPEND zero on entertainment they never go out ot eat never do anything for fun except have sex..
    Do they make enough money to keep their head above water without having any children or any fun. Now keep in mind I didnt say what happens when they get sick..and have no health care..I didnt say what happens if one of them falls and breaks their leg and cant work.
    What i want to know is just how much you expect from these people...so you can pay LESS and turtle can pay LESS and Paul Ryan can pay LESS and the CEO of citbank and GE can pay LESS...under no circumstances should all workers pay the same rate as the wealthy with a flat tax its absurd..who has more pain...this couple making 25000 paying 3750 or a guy making 400,000,000 paying 20%

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    Re: Bill Kristol: “It won’t kill the country” to raise taxes on millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Like McConnel said, dollar for dollar we trade our "goodies" for your "goodies". Believe me it will hurt us more. Happy now?
    lets see

    we pay and get little in return

    you get stuff and don't pay for it

    We trade what we pay for with what we pay for?

    its not like you are giving us a fair value to start with

    our taxes go up and we don't get any benefits

    you get less benefits that you don't pay for anyway

    so you get LESS free stuff and we pay more

    sounds like we are getting screwed

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    Re: Bill Kristol: “It won’t kill the country” to raise taxes on millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    It'll never happen, thankfully!
    the thought of less government bothers you?

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