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    re: Papa John's CEO: Obamacare likely to raise costs, employee's hours being cut [W:387]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    maybe you need to re read the law...First your number has to be listed on the DCL (Do not call list) then, you have to file the complaint, nothing can be done while it is investigated, then, you'd better make sure that number never called even to order a pizza, because that nullifies the DCL for that number concerning that business...How is it you didn't know that? After all you think you know all about everything else.
    Maybe you need to rely on a court decision, than meekly follow the partial opinion of a barrack-room lawyer.
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    re: Papa John's CEO: Obamacare likely to raise costs, employee's hours being cut [W:387]

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The fear is strong and alive with keepers of the flame like you, isn't it?

    What are you talking about? I am not one that just melted, or felt 'tingles up my leg' when Obama spoke of "fundamentally transforming" this nation. I believe in the power of our Constitution.

    Maybe you need to rely on a court decision, than meekly follow the partial opinion of a barrack-room lawyer.
    Oh, do you have a decision where PaPa John's was enjoined from advertising texting to their customers?
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    re: Papa John's CEO: Obamacare likely to raise costs, employee's hours being cut [W:387]

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    Yet speaker bohner ask the CBO to vet the cost of repealing BOcare. Amazing isn't it?
    No, not really. See when you realize that BOTH sides use the CBO as leverage because the CBO is restricted to using the parameters that the requesting member, or members lay out in their scoring requests, then you will realize that the conclusions are not in anyway indicative of anything other than what the requesting members want them to say.
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    re: Papa John's CEO: Obamacare likely to raise costs, employee's hours being cut [W:387]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, not really. See when you realize that BOTH sides use the CBO as leverage because the CBO is restricted to using the parameters that the requesting member, or members lay out in their scoring requests, then you will realize that the conclusions are not in anyway indicative of anything other than what the requesting members want them to say.
    in post#261 you linked to a site that used CBO estimates for their graphs, for their self-rightus bitchfest, of BOcare. Not only did they use use CBO numbers but if you look closely at the font in their post,the lame asses didn't even bother to change the font.Pure C%P.

    But i digress; let me see if i have this correct.Your saying that the source that you used,that used CBO data(The Blaze)was reputable when you used it for your post and snark in reply to my post, but now all of a sudden CBO is no longer a credible entity. Don,t you find that a bit odd?
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    re: Papa John's CEO: Obamacare likely to raise costs, employee's hours being cut [W:387]

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    in post#261 you linked to a site that used CBO estimates for their graphs, for their self-rightus bitchfest, of BOcare. Not only did they use use CBO numbers but if you look closely at the font in their post,the lame asses didn't even bother to change the font.Pure C%P.

    But i digress; let me see if i have this correct.Your saying that the source that you used,that used CBO data(The Blaze)was reputable when you used it for your post and snark in reply to my post, but now all of a sudden CBO is no longer a credible entity. Don,t you find that a bit odd?
    No, I am saying that the CBO is good only as far as it goes....If you think it is difinitive in projecting costs, their track record is dismal in that arena....Do you deny that?
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    re: Papa John's CEO: Obamacare likely to raise costs, employee's hours being cut [W:387]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, I am saying that the CBO is good only as far as it goes....If you think it is difinitive in projecting costs, their track record is dismal in that arena....Do you deny that?
    I SEE...but in post#261 your thoughts were???
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    re: Papa John's CEO: Obamacare likely to raise costs, employee's hours being cut [W:387]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What are you talking about? I am not one that just melted, or felt 'tingles up my leg' when Obama spoke of "fundamentally transforming" this nation. I believe in the power of our Constitution.



    Oh, do you have a decision where PaPa John's was enjoined from advertising texting to their customers?


    The decision will come when the class action is resolved. Keep on keeping the fear alive.
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    re: Papa John's CEO: Obamacare likely to raise costs, employee's hours being cut [W:387]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sure it is...It isn't up to you what someone should make.



    Yep, I said that....I didn't say this...
    I'll tell you why it IS our business when 16,000 workers go on unemployment becuase our laws have made it more lucrative to sell a company off in pieces than keep it operating..
    There are costs involved that the "holding corporation" simply skips out on. No "profits" should be taken from a company before the employees situation is resolved.
    That includes pension plans and unemployment benefits they are due.
    Treating human beings like pawns is not acceptabel behavior especially when they are pawned off to the Govt. which must absorb the costs from this "profitable" transaction.

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    re: Papa John's CEO: Obamacare likely to raise costs, employee's hours being cut [W:387]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I'll tell you why it IS our business when 16,000 workers go on unemployment becuase our laws have made it more lucrative to sell a company off in pieces than keep it operating..
    No, you have no claim to another persons business. When you are hired by a business you don't "own" the job, it is not "yours" in the sense that you get to dictate the terms.

    There are costs involved that the "holding corporation" simply skips out on. No "profits" should be taken from a company before the employees situation is resolved.
    Why is it a company's fault for following the law? I mean sure, in medium or larger sized company goes out of business it can be a shock to others, the community, or the country at large. Usually a bankruptcy is overseen by a court, and the court designees are placed in charge of companies in receivership to ensure that the assets of the company are split up equitably so that everyone with a stake gets a piece.

    Who the heck are you to think that if you get hired to do a job for a company, that you somehow 'own' that job? You don't own crap! When you are hired at a job, you agree to do a task, for compensation. And that agreement is entered into freely by both you and the employer, and at the pleasure, or will of that employer. If that business goes out of business, then what is the person supposed to do?

    Your premise seems to work on the model that if I start a business, and hire people that I have some obligation to either not make money, or if that business should fail, that I go out flat broke. That is silly. Who would even go into business assuming that?

    No "profits" should be taken from a company before the employees situation is resolved.
    That includes pension plans and unemployment benefits they are due.
    Treating human beings like pawns is not acceptabel behavior especially when they are pawned off to the Govt. which must absorb the costs from this "profitable" transaction.
    "Pensions"? Nobody I know, unless they work for some giant union run business gets a pension anymore. 401K is the standard. No one is treating anyone like 'pawns'. Are you forced to work for someone? No you are not. You have the ability at any time during your employment at a company to say, 'I quit'.... Should your little vision of entitlement also include that in that case that YOU owe the company money for what they invest in you for training, education, materiel etc? I think you'd say that was unreasonable. Well, your sense of entitlement is equally unreasonable as well.
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    re: Papa John's CEO: Obamacare likely to raise costs, employee's hours being cut [W:387]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, you have no claim to another persons business. When you are hired by a business you don't "own" the job, it is not "yours" in the sense that you get to dictate the terms.



    Why is it a company's fault for following the law? I mean sure, in medium or larger sized company goes out of business it can be a shock to others, the community, or the country at large. Usually a bankruptcy is overseen by a court, and the court designees are placed in charge of companies in receivership to ensure that the assets of the company are split up equitably so that everyone with a stake gets a piece.

    Who the heck are you to think that if you get hired to do a job for a company, that you somehow 'own' that job? You don't own crap! When you are hired at a job, you agree to do a task, for compensation. And that agreement is entered into freely by both you and the employer, and at the pleasure, or will of that employer. If that business goes out of business, then what is the person supposed to do?

    Your premise seems to work on the model that if I start a business, and hire people that I have some obligation to either not make money, or if that business should fail, that I go out flat broke. That is silly. Who would even go into business assuming that?



    "Pensions"? Nobody I know, unless they work for some giant union run business gets a pension anymore. 401K is the standard. No one is treating anyone like 'pawns'. Are you forced to work for someone? No you are not. You have the ability at any time during your employment at a company to say, 'I quit'.... Should your little vision of entitlement also include that in that case that YOU owe the company money for what they invest in you for training, education, materiel etc? I think you'd say that was unreasonable. Well, your sense of entitlement is equally unreasonable as well.
    Why should Govt. foot the bill and vulture capitalists make all the profit? Isn't that corporate welfare?

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