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    Re: Bradley Manning Offers Guilty Pleas

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Well, not your enemies, anyway. The enemies of America on the other hand...
    First off who are "my enemies"? What do you mean by; "Well, not your enemies, anyway"?
    Second off.... He sent Al Qaeda, and Iran and various other militant Islamic groups and other Countries intelligence?


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    Re: Bradley Manning Offers Guilty Pleas

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Treason deserves the death penalty.
    He tried to overthrow the US gov and end its sovereignty?


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    Re: Bradley Manning Offers Guilty Pleas

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You base your belief that he is not guilty on what?
    I believe he did nothing wrong. I believe that he simply did what a good journalist did. I believe openness leads to peace and a better democracy.


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    Re: Bradley Manning Offers Guilty Pleas

    Manning is clearly guilty of leaking information illegally. He could have been given a speedy trial, convicted and sentenced according to rules of our justice system. However, the government has also flagrantly acted in violation of the law. The UCMJ guarantees a right to speedy trial but manning has been imprisoned for nearly two years. The specified remedy in article 10 is dismissal with prejudice. The only real question in whether the courts will actually uphold the law, or whether they will continue to allow torture, murder and imprisonment simply at the whim of the executive branch.

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    Re: Bradley Manning Offers Guilty Pleas

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    I understand perfectly well and I understand what condescension is too.

    If Manning had only released material related to suspected crimes or serious misbehaviour and had at least considered the existing whistle blowing routes or respected media organisations before approaching Wikileaks, you'd have a very good argument. The fact remains that he did not.

    He didn't blow the whistle on anything, he released whole batches of data with absolutely zero idea of who would ultimately get acres to it or the potential consequence of it being released. Nobody was killed as a result but people very easily could have been. That is why leaking that kind of information without specific reason is illegal and that is why he is being tried.

    If anything, Manning's actions have actually harmed the abilities of true whistleblowers.
    Men in positions like Manning and Ellsberg have tactical considerations. They must decide exactly how to blow the whistle--how to get the documents out. Ellsberg had to deal with paper documents, Bradley with digital documents or information, or whatever the appropriate word might be. He chose a Lady Gaga CD cover.

    Just speculating on my part, but maybe he just downloaded a huge pile of documents so that the helicopter gunship footage could be included? Speculation means little.

    The point is that "respected media organisations" is rather an oxymoron these days. The 'respected media organizations' are sadly mere lapdogs for the government. That is the reason why Wikileaks exists--mainstream media suppresses the truth, ignores the truth, and prints nothing but government propaganda.

    Manning's actions have not harmed the abilities of whistleblowers, but an aggressive prosecution by the Obama Just Us Department certainly has. Our great leader and advocate of transparency in government has prosecuted whistleblowers more agressively than his predecessor.

    He approved the torture of Manning during that first year. Manning is a classic american hero, revealing the war crimes of his government. The State Department material should never have been classified in the first place, and anybody who has read any of them knows that.

    Robert Gates, on the way out of office, finally spoke the truth--no harm done that he was aware of. All these years later, you nor anybody else can identify any harm done by that release.

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    Re: Bradley Manning Offers Guilty Pleas

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Manning is clearly guilty of leaking information illegally. He could have been given a speedy trial, convicted and sentenced according to rules of our justice system. However, the government has also flagrantly acted in violation of the law. The UCMJ guarantees a right to speedy trial but manning has been imprisoned for nearly two years. The specified remedy in article 10 is dismissal with prejudice. The only real question in whether the courts will actually uphold the law, or whether they will continue to allow torture, murder and imprisonment simply at the whim of the executive branch.
    My cynical but realistic prediction is that the courts will condone ALL the illegal actions of the government in this case.

    Ehren Watada found justice, finally, by way of civilian courts. Manning will never get the chance, and the UCMJ will not deliver justice here.

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