Page 2 of 5 FirstFirst 1234 ... LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 46

Thread: Bradley Manning Offers Guilty Pleas

  1. #11
    Liberal Fascist For Life!


    Redress's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:58 AM
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    93,299
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Bradley Manning Offers Guilty Pleas

    Quote Originally Posted by roflpublican View Post
    but can a legitimate whistleblower really trust that policy? never know how far up corruption extends.
    At some point you have to trust some one, and more importantly, when in the military you have to follow the procedures and rules. You swore an oath. I took that very seriously.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

  2. #12
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Tampa
    Last Seen
    09-24-13 @ 11:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    1,526

    Re: Bradley Manning Offers Guilty Pleas

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    At some point you have to trust some one, and more importantly, when in the military you have to follow the procedures and rules. You swore an oath. I took that very seriously.
    indeed, that's why this incident conflicts me. i've not been able to come to terms with my opinion on it yet.

  3. #13
    Enemy Combatant
    Kandahar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Last Seen
    10-15-13 @ 08:47 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    20,688

    Re: Bradley Manning Offers Guilty Pleas

    "Whistleblowers" generally expose wrongdoing. If all Manning had done was release a video of some soldiers breaking the law in Iraq, I'd be fine with it. But you can't release a bunch of diplomatic cables about how the Ambassador to Turkey thinks the Turkish president is stupid, or how Zimbabwean political dissidents secretly advocated for sanctions, or how other Latin American leaders disliked Ecuador's immigration policy.

    Exposing this kind of **** has nothing to do with blowing the whistle on anyone. Just because you have access to some confidential information doesn't mean you need to share it with the public.
    Are you coming to bed?
    I can't. This is important.
    What?
    Someone is WRONG on the internet! -XKCD

  4. #14
    Curmudgeon


    LowDown's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Houston
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    11,551
    Blog Entries
    11

    Re: Bradley Manning Offers Guilty Pleas

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    He did not "aide the enemy" in any which way.
    Well, not your enemies, anyway. The enemies of America on the other hand...

    "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." --HL Mencken

  5. #15
    Professor
    FinnMacCool's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    South Shore of Long Island.
    Last Seen
    03-12-15 @ 10:01 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    2,272

    Re: Bradley Manning Offers Guilty Pleas

    If Bradley Manning did what he was accused of, then thank god for Bradley Manning and I hope there will be a million more like him.

    The funny thing about this is that even after all this time, nobody can really actually point to a direct harm caused by these leaks. The only real harm was that American officials are embarrassed that their dishonesty was exposed to everyone including their efforts to cover up their knowledge and compliance with Iraqi torture.

    Edit: Also, I would like to point out that what should really be troubling people is the fact that Bradley Manning has spent over 900 days in prison without trial, 9 months of that were spent in solitary confinement. Human Rights agencies have called his treatment 'akin to torture'.

    And what happened to the war criminals in the 'collateral murder' video?

    That's right. . .nothing!
    Last edited by FinnMacCool; 11-08-12 at 08:43 PM.
    "Idealists foolish enough to throw caution to the winds have advanced mankind and have enriched the world.

    "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue. "

    "The motto should not be: Forgive one another; rather understand one another. "
    -Emma Goldman

  6. #16
    Sage
    Sherman123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Northeast US
    Last Seen
    11-23-17 @ 11:12 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    7,774

    Re: Bradley Manning Offers Guilty Pleas

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    If Bradley Manning did what he was accused of, then thank god for Bradley Manning and I hope there will be a million more like him.

    The funny thing about this is that even after all this time, nobody can really actually point to a direct harm caused by these leaks. The only real harm was that American officials are embarrassed that their dishonesty was exposed to everyone including their efforts to cover up their knowledge and compliance with Iraqi torture.
    That isn't true, in fact part of the problem has been the incredible magnitude of the documents revealed which have been so voluminous that it becomes difficult to actually figure out what was released. Of course this makes Manning look more guilty, not less. The whole point of a whistle blower is that you have found some wrong, some evil that you want to expose and shed light on for the public. Manning had no idea what 99% of what he was releasing concerned because he couldn't possible have read the millions of documents and cables. He recklessly endangered US foreign policy, private communications, and so much else.

    But there are a plethora of cases that have resulted in adverse outcomes due to Manning and his releases. For example Zimbabwe opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai's contacts with the United States government were exposed and led to a renewed crackdown on his party and 'investigations' for possible treason and conspiracy charges. Zimbabwe AG probing Tsvangirai over WikiLeaks disclosures - CNN.com

    There were hundreds of thousands of state department cables and SIRPAnet releases, there was plenty of damaging material. The blessing in disguise was that Manning and Assange released so much information that it became nearly impossible to discern what was what and stories were buried. Even the 'worst' stories like the US intelligence presence in West African countries through energy companies barely made a blip because there were too many stories.

  7. #17
    Liberal Fascist For Life!


    Redress's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:58 AM
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    93,299
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Bradley Manning Offers Guilty Pleas

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    If Bradley Manning did what he was accused of, then thank god for Bradley Manning and I hope there will be a million more like him.

    The funny thing about this is that even after all this time, nobody can really actually point to a direct harm caused by these leaks. The only real harm was that American officials are embarrassed that their dishonesty was exposed to everyone including their efforts to cover up their knowledge and compliance with Iraqi torture.

    Edit: Also, I would like to point out that what should really be troubling people is the fact that Bradley Manning has spent over 900 days in prison without trial, 9 months of that were spent in solitary confinement. Human Rights agencies have called his treatment 'akin to torture'.

    And what happened to the war criminals in the 'collateral murder' video?

    That's right. . .nothing!
    So you approve of people who break the law? You approve of material being released that put people at risk? If the charges are true, then Manning broke the law, broke his oath, and damaged diplomatic relations of a country he was sworn to serve. You somehow think that is something good?
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

  8. #18
    Professor
    FinnMacCool's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    South Shore of Long Island.
    Last Seen
    03-12-15 @ 10:01 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    2,272

    Re: Bradley Manning Offers Guilty Pleas

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you approve of people who break the law? You approve of material being released that put people at risk? If the charges are true, then Manning broke the law, broke his oath, and damaged diplomatic relations of a country he was sworn to serve. You somehow think that is something good?
    Our government is the only real criminals here. I don't approve of everything that wikileaks has done, but I think that information wants to be free and it's important that people know the truth.
    "Idealists foolish enough to throw caution to the winds have advanced mankind and have enriched the world.

    "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue. "

    "The motto should not be: Forgive one another; rather understand one another. "
    -Emma Goldman

  9. #19
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    SE Asia
    Last Seen
    07-12-14 @ 10:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    2,333

    Re: Bradley Manning Offers Guilty Pleas

    He is definitely guilty. He may have believed he had a good reason for what he did, but he is guilty of breaking the law. I don't think he should spend life in prison though.

  10. #20
    Guru

    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Nevada
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    4,838

    Re: Bradley Manning Offers Guilty Pleas

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    The funny thing about this is that even after all this time, nobody can really actually point to a direct harm caused by these leaks.
    A crime is deemed committed at the time the law is broken, not after a leisurely analysis of negative or positive subsequent events. There may be enhancements to the penalty if it is proven that he caused great harm.

    Reading the article, it appears that his plea offer is only to lesser included offenses, so it appears to be only a tactical move by the defense to cut short the enormous amount of damning testimony.

    He'll get enough time at Leavenworth that he will wish he had been more circumspect in his behavior. Maybe followed the rules like soldiers are expected to do.

Page 2 of 5 FirstFirst 1234 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •