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Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arrests

Re: Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arre

It speaks to your credibility when you don't speak out against such behavior by your fellow Libbos.



I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

And whenever this comes up, the Conservatives come running to cry "hypocrisy!" Not to say, "That's wrong."
 
Re: Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arre

I am an Ole Miss alumni. I graduated in 2010. Let me speak if I may on what has occured. Well... before I do that, let me explain some about myself. I was born in California, my parents are Ole Miss alumni. My father grew up in FL, and my mother grew up in Vicksburg MS. My mother raised me to never be racist, never heard the N word or anything like that, she had seen enough of it growing up in MS when she was a child. Now, I had never lived in the South prior to my attending Ole Miss. I thought I had it all figured out, I knew it all man... people out west and up north were smart, people down in the south were dumb. Or so I believed. Now, I really didn't want to attend Ole Miss.... I laughed at my parents and suggested that, they didn't notice racism etc, because they grew up around it. I thought everyone at Ole Miss was going to be a redneck, hick, bigot, would own at least 3 tractors, and would be hard to understand due to their lack of knowledge of the English language. Now... you may ask where did I learn these thoughts? Why did I think the South and in particular Mississippi would be like that? I believe because that's the image or belief that history books, and society would have you believe.

Now I attended Ole Miss from 2006 to 2010. It really opened my eyes. I met some of the MOST wonderful people down there, kind, loving, intellectual, open minded... I was amazed... and I also felt shame. Because I had been so far off in my belief about the South. In fact Ole Miss has 20% African Americans. It is a small school only 20,000 students. I did meet some people down there, that were close minded, racist, homophobic... but you know what? I met more of those people when I lived in CA. I realized... there are racist and close minded people all over the country... who would have thought? I thought they all were down in the south... whoops.

To set the record straight, these were not riots. In is actually quite shameful that the media portrayed them as such. If you don't know what you're talking about... it's best to do your research before you write a story... or so they try and teach you in college. Unfortunately a large portion of the media, including local media in Oxford (MS). Took the news and ran with it without giving it a second thought.

From what I have gathered from many of my friends that are still attending the University, it started with around twenty or so students, drunk, mostly males that were shouting horribly offensive racial slurs. People on twitter and facebook started to say things like "Hey outside the the dorm theres people yelling and chanting." So naturally curious 20 something year olds with not much to do in Oxford except drink, go out and investigate, who knows you might meet a girl, theres plenty to pick from. And within an hour or so around 200 people had gathered (out of 20,000 students). Most people were laughing poking fun at the drunks, one guy had a Obama sign that he light on fire with his lighter... police showed up 5 minutes later, arrested one person for being drunk and disorderly, and one person for fighting with one of the cops. The group dispersed, went back to studying or celebrating the election. Media tries to make it out like it was a RIOT, they need to first understand what the term RIOT entails.... it did not fit the scene that's for sure. A day later over 700 students gather together both white and black and hold a candle light ceremony to show that those twenty or so idiots, did not represent the fine University of Mississippi. But of course... that doesn't get reported by nearly as much news outlets... cause it's boring.

Look, I went to Ole Miss, I lived it, I loved it. I wouldn't have traded my time there for anything else in the world. One of the most beautiful campuses, some of the nicest people. Made wonderful lifelong friends both black and white, who love the school even more than I do. People who have never been there, don't understand anything about the University, they have a lack of critical thinking skills, and honestly it's quite pathetic. This is sensationalism at its finest.

Most of the students in 2008 voted for Barack Obama, he won in a student vote. The 3rd presidential debate was held at the University of Mississippi when he faced off against Mccain. I was there, so were thousands of others. No riots, just young kids involved in politics. We cherished that moment, and always will.

Bottom line, twenty drunk idiots apparently equals a riot, out of 20,000 students. Of the 200+ there, most were bystanders trying to figure out what the hell was going on. Police dispersed everything in a matter of hours. Two people arrested for being drunk. Not even newsworthy in my opinion.

The University only gets bad press. We have moved so far forward and progressed so much from 1962 when James Meredith was allowed into the University of Mississippi. Mississippi is a scapegoat for the whole United States. People love to think that racism is really only existent in the South. Educate yourselves, please.

You mean there are good people in the south???? Go figure. You are working on some pretty thin assumptions.

First and foremost is that I don't know of anyone conservative or liberal that think racism only exists in the south. I do know plenty of conservatives and almost every liberal I know that believe racism still exists everywhere. I have also met plenty of conservatives who believe that racism in post-modern America is myth. A lot of conservatives also postulate that while racism may still exist in very small numbers it has no effect on society at large. This is the crux of the issue. The conservative movement, and by your post, you also believe that racism no longer effects society in a negative way. This is fantasyland. There is institutional racism in this country at large. Every statiscal analysis points to this obvious conclusion.

The second assumption you make in your post is that somehow the size of a riot determines whether or not it is a riot. Whether it was 20 or 200 drunks does not matter. The main point is that at University that has a long history of racism that a number of students decided to protest an election result they didn't like based on racially motivated reasons. I do not know for a fact that only 20 people rioted and 2-300 watched but the fact that they just watched is disturbing in an of itself. To stand by silently while someone violently spews racially motivated hatred toward the recently re-elected President is supposed to make me feel better about the University of Mississippi? Hardly and in fact makes it even more disturbing to me.

The point is that racism exists everywhere. That being said the only violent racially motivated protest of the election result that I have heard occurred at place that has such a long and violent history of racial animosity is significant and should be reported.
 
Re: Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arre

What we have here is a person not living in the US posting up a thread so he can judge the South. That's the point of this thread, nothing more. No comment about the protest, just about that it happened in Mississippi. If it had happened in Massachussett, no thread at all.

A feigned discussion of prejudice with irony.

I live in the US. I judge Mississippi the same:lol:
 
Re: Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arre

And whenever this comes up, the Conservatives come running to cry "hypocrisy!" Not to say, "That's wrong."

So, bigotry and racism is ok, as long as it's directed at a politically incorrect group?
 
Re: Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arre

You mean there are good people in the south???? Go figure. You are working on some pretty thin assumptions.

My point illustrated better than I could ever hope for.
 
Re: Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arre

Therefore, racism is fine.

Oh, get off your high, high, hobby horse!

You accept racism from Muslims against Jews. You libs are so full of Isht when it comes to Muslim bigotry you are smearing it on every post you make on the subjects of bigotry, Muslims, Israelis, Zionism and Jews.

Yes, in you all's book, racism IS fine!
 
Re: Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arre

Maybe Pete can answer this. I genuinely don't know the answer. Do European countries have these kinds of race issues? Does France have arguments like this over race? Are there race riots in the Netherlands? Does Germany tie race to poverty the way we do? Does Poland specifically tailor drug laws to target minority races like we've done here? Is America unique among the western world in this regard?
 
Re: Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arre

Oh, get off your high, high, hobby horse!

You accept racism from Muslims against Jews. You libs are so full of Isht when it comes to Muslim bigotry you are smearing it on every post you make on the subjects of bigotry, Muslims, Israelis, Zionism and Jews.

Yes, in you all's book, racism IS fine!

When did I say that? Or is it just easier to construct strawmen?

I guess when you can't argue the reality, make stuff up.
 
Re: Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arre

So, bigotry and racism is ok, as long as it's directed at a politically incorrect group?

Is that what I said?

Seriously, does anybody on the right read anymore, or is it all strawmen?
 
Re: Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arre

Yes, indeed, these people were indeed a over the top, and delusional as it would have never happened, but I can't disagree with them as I would have agreed with the impeaching of Bush.

Ah, yes. However, you are a degenerate Socialist and what you agree to should never matter in this country.
 
Re: Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arre

When did I say that? Or is it just easier to construct strawmen?

I guess when you can't argue the reality, make stuff up.

I'm waiting for you to deny that you accept Muslim bigotry toward Jews. Or, better put, you don't let Muslim bigotry against Jews adversly impact your opinion of them as being just like anyone else.
 
Re: Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arre

I'm waiting for you to deny that you accept Muslim bigotry toward Jews. Or, better put, you don't let Muslim bigotry against Jews adversly impact your opinion of them as being just like anyone else.

Are you also waiting for me to tell you when I stopped beating my wife?

You charged that I accept it. Go find where I have done so, and connect it to this thread somehow.
 
Re: Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arre

Maybe Pete can answer this. I genuinely don't know the answer. Do European countries have these kinds of race issues? Does France have arguments like this over race? Are there race riots in the Netherlands? Does Germany tie race to poverty the way we do? Does Poland specifically tailor drug laws to target minority races like we've done here? Is America unique among the western world in this regard?

There's a big yes to all.
 
Re: Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arre

You mean there are good people in the south???? Go figure. You are working on some pretty thin assumptions.

First and foremost is that I don't know of anyone conservative or liberal that think racism only exists in the south. I do know plenty of conservatives and almost every liberal I know that believe racism still exists everywhere. I have also met plenty of conservatives who believe that racism in post-modern America is myth. A lot of conservatives also postulate that while racism may still exist in very small numbers it has no effect on society at large. This is the crux of the issue. The conservative movement, and by your post, you also believe that racism no longer effects society in a negative way. This is fantasyland. There is institutional racism in this country at large. Every statiscal analysis points to this obvious conclusion.

The second assumption you make in your post is that somehow the size of a riot determines whether or not it is a riot. Whether it was 20 or 200 drunks does not matter. The main point is that at University that has a long history of racism that a number of students decided to protest an election result they didn't like based on racially motivated reasons. I do not know for a fact that only 20 people rioted and 2-300 watched but the fact that they just watched is disturbing in an of itself. To stand by silently while someone violently spews racially motivated hatred toward the recently re-elected President is supposed to make me feel better about the University of Mississippi? Hardly and in fact makes it even more disturbing to me.

The point is that racism exists everywhere. That being said the only violent racially motivated protest of the election result that I have heard occurred at place that has such a long and violent history of racial animosity is significant and should be reported.


Clearly, you don't know the school. Look man, just ignore all the good things I said about the University. Clearly the media who reported this know more than actual people who were there etc. As a nation we all understand history and what happened to African American's. It was a horrendous point our our nations history. It is a stain that can never and should never be removed. But everyone has paid in full, twice over, for what has been done, and none more so than Ole Miss. No matter what we do, we always get **** on by the media and people like yourself who know NOTHING about how it currently is. Do you think I would have stayed at some hick infested, racially bigoted school. No. Do you think I would have enjoyed it if all of these people were standing around being racists? No. Who do YOU THINK called the police to disrupt the crowd... hmmm. think hard now.... oh that's right other students. And what's that? They were probably white students? OH MY GOD how can it be? It just doesn't make sense! Oh wait what's that? A group eclipsed the so called "riot" met the night after and held a candlelight ceremony with blacks and whites together and talked about how the twenty or so students did not represent the University of Mississippi. STOP THE PRESSES STOP THE PRESSES... oh wait.. nah that **** doesn't matter cause it's not racist. Of course I'm surprised they didn't try and put a spin on on it that soon the KKK showed up and took the candles and started to burn crosses, that would have made a great story, and truthfully it would have had about as much credit as this one we are discussing right now.

Look, I went there, I lived there I clearly understand and know more about this situation than yourself, you love sensationalism, I love realism. I hate to say that's what this seems to boil down to. But I think it does. Ole Miss will never forget what happened no matter that James Meredith comes to all the games wearing his Ole Miss attire. No matter that we have moved far beyond that, and have 20% African American students as well as black students in the student legislature that love this place. No, no, please keep tearing things down you clearly have a lack of knowledge on.

I more than likely cannot sway your opinion, and so be it. But know this, I am the one who is open minded, I am the one who is not prejudice, you on the other hand seem to have a vile hatred for the University and are so selfish and so stubborn that you will not allow it to heal or move forward (not forget) but move forward. You would rather like to think we are all of course KKK members and stand around watching African Americans get lynched, you make me sick. Racism is slowly going away, you can live in your "fantasyland" all you want to. It will die off, because people are raising their children with open minds. And when it does die off I will be so happy. Because people like the KKK and other close minded idiots, and I hate to say it, but you are just as close minded in your own way, will be gone. Good riddance.
 
Re: Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arre

Maybe Pete can answer this. I genuinely don't know the answer. Do European countries have these kinds of race issues? Does France have arguments like this over race? Are there race riots in the Netherlands? Does Germany tie race to poverty the way we do? Does Poland specifically tailor drug laws to target minority races like we've done here? Is America unique among the western world in this regard?

Of course otyer coujtrie do. Whete you been?
 
Re: Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arre

There's a big yes to all.

Of course otyer coujtrie do. Whete you been?

Do they have as much as we do? I never really hear about such things. I remember how that Norwegian shooter recently was a religious bigot, but is there an Italian equivalent to the KKK? And if the don't have as much of this kind of stuff as we do, what can we learn from them to fix our problems here?
 
Re: Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arre

Do they have as much as we do? I never really hear about such things. I remember how that Norwegian shooter recently was a religious bigot, but is there an Italian equivalent to the KKK? And if the don't have as much of this kind of stuff as we do, what can we learn from them to fix our problems here?

As much? No, but the demographics in Europe are totally different. There's no comparison.
 
Re: Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arre

But what a surprise... it didn't happen in Massachusetts. Once again, a racism story comes out and it's in the South. The same place that up until 50 years ago still was lynching like it was 1886.

As usual, you're johnny on the spot when it comes to racism. Nothing gets passed you. Nosirree.
 
Re: Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arre

As usual, you're johnny on the spot when it comes to racism. Nothing gets passed you. Nosirree.

Glad you've acknowledged my superiority as a poster. :lol:
 
Re: Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arre

Clearly, you don't know the school. Look man, just ignore all the good things I said about the University. Clearly the media who reported this know more than actual people who were there etc. As a nation we all understand history and what happened to African American's. It was a horrendous point our our nations history. It is a stain that can never and should never be removed. But everyone has paid in full, twice over, for what has been done, and none more so than Ole Miss. No matter what we do, we always get **** on by the media and people like yourself who know NOTHING about how it currently is. Do you think I would have stayed at some hick infested, racially bigoted school. No. Do you think I would have enjoyed it if all of these people were standing around being racists? No. Who do YOU THINK called the police to disrupt the crowd... hmmm. think hard now.... oh that's right other students. And what's that? They were probably white students? OH MY GOD how can it be? It just doesn't make sense! Oh wait what's that? A group eclipsed the so called "riot" met the night after and held a candlelight ceremony with blacks and whites together and talked about how the twenty or so students did not represent the University of Mississippi. STOP THE PRESSES STOP THE PRESSES... oh wait.. nah that **** doesn't matter cause it's not racist. Of course I'm surprised they didn't try and put a spin on on it that soon the KKK showed up and took the candles and started to burn crosses, that would have made a great story, and truthfully it would have had about as much credit as this one we are discussing right now.

Look, I went there, I lived there I clearly understand and know more about this situation than yourself, you love sensationalism, I love realism. I hate to say that's what this seems to boil down to. But I think it does. Ole Miss will never forget what happened no matter that James Meredith comes to all the games wearing his Ole Miss attire. No matter that we have moved far beyond that, and have 20% African American students as well as black students in the student legislature that love this place. No, no, please keep tearing things down you clearly have a lack of knowledge on.

I more than likely cannot sway your opinion, and so be it. But know this, I am the one who is open minded, I am the one who is not prejudice, you on the other hand seem to have a vile hatred for the University and are so selfish and so stubborn that you will not allow it to heal or move forward (not forget) but move forward. You would rather like to think we are all of course KKK members and stand around watching African Americans get lynched, you make me sick. Racism is slowly going away, you can live in your "fantasyland" all you want to. It will die off, because people are raising their children with open minds. And when it does die off I will be so happy. Because people like the KKK and other close minded idiots, and I hate to say it, but you are just as close minded in your own way, will be gone. Good riddance.

And through this whole spiel you did not address any of the points purposed. Do you actually believe that there no racist being raised anymore????? Don't kid yourself they are just a little further underground. Scrape off the first inch or so and it is there. Is it becoming less prevelant...maybe but not at levels to suggest racism will end anytime soon. Anything else is pure fantasy.
 
Re: Obama re-election protest escalates at Univ. of Mississippi; racial slurs, 2 arre

My point illustrated better than I could ever hope for.

reading comp much?
 
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