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Puerto Rico Votes on US Ties

Harry Guerrilla said:
Why would it change?
Americans can go there now without a passport.
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Why did Hawaii see an increase when they became a state? Remember, they were also a territory that voted statehood. It is the idea of an island being a state. A novelty if you will. No, really I do not know:lol:
 
apdst said:
Compared to PR? Our's is under control.

Drug raid targets baggage handlers, airline workers in Puerto Rico - CNN.com
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From the article:

"Federal agents arrested dozens of airline workers and baggage handlers"

Oh thank god those dozens of people were arrested. It is well over 9000 times more drug related arrests here in the US:lol:

Also to note:

"We have been asking the federal government to help us patrol ... the Puerto Rican coasts, which we are unable to cover entirely by ourselves," Puerto Rico Gov. Luis Fortuno said Wednesday. "We want them to help us protect it in the same way they protect the borders with Mexico and Canada."

And lastly, LOLOLOLOLOL at "we have ours under control":lol:
 
hawke812 said:
From the article:

"Federal agents arrested dozens of airline workers and baggage handlers"

Oh thank god those dozens of people were arrested. It is well over 9000 times more drug related arrests here in the US:lol:

Also to note:

"We have been asking the federal government to help us patrol ... the Puerto Rican coasts, which we are unable to cover entirely by ourselves," Puerto Rico Gov. Luis Fortuno said Wednesday. "We want them to help us protect it in the same way they protect the borders with Mexico and Canada."
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bahahahhaha, puerto rico is in for a surprise, we couldent guard a border (land, water, or otherwise) for all the american dollars in china.
 
hawke812 said:
I don't know...I figure tourism will boom there if they become a state. Kind of like Hawaii did. It could be beneficial to everyone. We can't really say things will get worse from this addition:lol:
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Becoming a state won't change anything, people have been able to go there for years without a passport, there are regular planes and ships that go there, just nobody is really that interested.
 
Henrin said:
With the left already owning almost all the major states there is no room to give them another. I'm sure the republicans are dumb enough to do it, but it's self defeating.



A maximum of four electoral votes per state.
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I see no reason to not let in any area as a State if they want to become one. Party lines are irrelevent to this subject...unless of course you want to play the partisan hackery game.

I personally don't like the electoral voting system that we have and I think it should be abolished but denying a statehood to an area just to try and keep one party from becoming "more powerful" or whatever is just BS.
 
what is the average IQ level of Puerto Ricans?
 
GarzaUK said:
Kinda like Greenland then you oppressive dane :cool:?
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Yep, and the Faero Islands or for you Brits.. Gibraltar, Diego Garcia.. no wait you moved the people from there, Falklands and so on. Never said my country was any better.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I see no reason to not let in any area as a State if they want to become one. Party lines are irrelevent to this subject...unless of course you want to play the partisan hackery game.

I personally don't like the electoral voting system that we have and I think it should be abolished but denying a statehood to an area just to try and keep one party from becoming "more powerful" or whatever is just BS.
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i doubt republicans will support puerto rico becoming a state. it would probably be democratic from the get-go, that means 2 extra democratic senators, however many democratic reps, extra electorals for the dem candidate, etc.
 
PeteEU said:
Yep, and the Faero Islands or for you Brits.. Gibraltar, Diego Garcia.. no wait you moved the people from there, Falklands and so on. Never said my country was any better.
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Relax Pete, was a joke. I'm from the UK so can't really get on my high horse about such things.
 
GarzaUK said:
Relax Pete, was a joke. I'm from the UK so can't really get on my high horse about such things.
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I am relaxed :) was just pointing out that we both come from countries with colonies and admit it... unlike some other people /grin. Now if we could get some sun here, I would be relaxed and happy as well!.. damn rain!
 
poweRob said:
Exactly. Hawai'i of the East Coast. Like Hawai'i put a Naval base there... shut one down that isn't on our shores and open it up there. All that defense spending that goes to that base will benefit a US state rather than another country. This will increase even more tourism of navy family members coming to visit as well. The military prescence will also be a much needed show of force because from what I understand, Puerto Rico has experienced a HUGE rise in drug related gang activity.
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What strategic advantage does PR offer over an overseas base?
 
PeteEU said:
I hope for them that they get in, but I have my doubts .... they have to get past the Tea Party in the House.
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You know it wouldn't be so bad reading your bull**** if you actually knew anything about what you're talking about.
 
American said:
You know it wouldn't be so bad reading your bull**** if you actually knew anything about what you're talking about.
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So you are telling me, that the anti-Latino anti-immigration borderline racist Tea Party will be all for allowing more Latinos in as full citizens.. Latinos that speak Spanish as their main language and not English... Latinos that most likely will back the Democratic party.... that the Tea Party would be all for letting these people to become full members of American society?
 
Aberration said:
What strategic advantage does PR offer over an overseas base?
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Base of operations in the Atlantic like Hawai'i is for the Pacific.
 
GarzaUK said:
You want to stop a US dependency from acheiving full statehood and citizen rights because you are afraid of how they would vote? Not very Libertarian of you Henrin.
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I'm trying to maintain what liberty we have left, so I'm only trying to do what I think is necessary to do that. Ensuring more votes for liberals is not how I think that will be done.

hawke812 said:
You disgrace us Libertarians:shock:
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Perhaps I do on this issue, but I don't think its wise to give power to people not acting in good faith when talking about government. Sorry, but I don't believe liberals ever act in good faith.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I see no reason to not let in any area as a State if they want to become one. Party lines are irrelevent to this subject...unless of course you want to play the partisan hackery game.
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What people believe in will decide on where the country goes in the future. I have no interest in more government control and that is all see from accepting Puerto Rico as a state. Perhaps what I'm saying is hackery, but I have no interest in cutting off my own head.

I personally don't like the electoral voting system that we have and I think it should be abolished but denying a statehood to an area just to try and keep one party from becoming "more powerful" or whatever is just BS.
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I'm not worried so much about parties, but what they desire from government. Since the government can freely accept who they desire in the union I'm ok rejecting states on this basis.
 
poweRob said:
Not to mention being a us dependent territory, federal $'s may flow to them but not being a state means they don't pay taxes. So $'s flow only one way.
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That is easily fixable. :2razz:
 
Henrin said:
What people believe in will decide on where the country goes in the future. I have no interest in more government control and that is all see from accepting Puerto Rico as a state. Perhaps what I'm saying is hackery, but I have no interest in cutting off my own head.

I'm not worried so much about parties, but what they desire from government. Since the government can freely accept who they desire in the union I'm ok rejecting states on this basis.
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Bringing in a new state does not mean an expansion of government. The Federal government will have the same amount of power it had before. Indeed as it stands right now the government dictates things to Porto Rica as it is. They might as well get representation so that they can have some say in how thier affairs are managed. So it would actually restrict the government to an extent because they will be bound by the Constitution.
 
Henrin said:
What people believe in will decide on where the country goes in the future. I have no interest in more government control and that is all see from accepting Puerto Rico as a state. Perhaps what I'm saying is hackery, but I have no interest in cutting off my own head.

I'm not worried so much about parties, but what they desire from government. Since the government can freely accept who they desire in the union I'm ok rejecting states on this basis.
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So if Porto Rico would vote for the libertarian view you'd accept them? So its not really the "expansion of government" that you are worried about, but the expansion of the liberals that you are worried about.

So...what makes you think that they would vote for liberals?
 
roflpublican said:
i doubt republicans will support puerto rico becoming a state. it would probably be democratic from the get-go, that means 2 extra democratic senators, however many democratic reps, extra electorals for the dem candidate, etc.
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Not necessarily. The Governor is a Republican, and they elected him.

But in general, letting Democrats have the vote was a bad idea (according to some) :mrgreen:
 
Adding Puerto Rico as the 51st state should be part of broad economic plan.....think of the increased business to flag makers. ;)

Since the vote was non-binding, and addition of a state must be approved by both the Federal Congress and the legislature of the proposed state.
 
Samhain said:
Adding Puerto Rico as the 51st state should be part of broad economic plan.....think of the increased business to flag makers. ;)

Since the vote was non-binding, and addition of a state must be approved by both the Federal Congress and the legislature of the proposed state.
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Sure, there's steps to be taken. This vote was a measure of where the public was on the issue. Which is good to know.
 
hawke812 said:
I don't know...I figure tourism will boom there if they become a state. Kind of like Hawaii did. It could be beneficial to everyone. We can't really say things will get worse from this addition:lol:
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just so long as we do not have to add to the interstate highway system to get there
 
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