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    Re: Puerto Rico Votes on US Ties

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    51 is an uneven number and makes me nervous. I like even numbers. Maybe we can let Canada be the 52 state.
    I believe they'll be the 58th state.
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    Re: Puerto Rico Votes on US Ties

    Quote Originally Posted by TitusAndronicus View Post
    Well...based on 2010 redistricting, and ignoring swing states, red states gained 12 electoral votes on the blue states. Even including Puerto Rico at 7 that's still a gain for red states of 5...though of course I understand right wingers not wanting to volunteer to take +5 over +12. But both parties have said they would support Puerto Rican statehood if a clear majority of Puerto Ricans voted for it. And they say no state has yet been rejected in its application (though I seem to remember Yucatan trying to join the US after the Mexican War and us saying no...but in that case there may not have been an actual vote in congress, only an appeal to the president.)
    With the left already owning almost all the major states there is no room to give them another. I'm sure the republicans are dumb enough to do it, but it's self defeating.

    What do you mean by "a cap at four per state." A cap of what?
    A maximum of four electoral votes per state.

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    Re: Puerto Rico Votes on US Ties

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Port Rico? Richport. It wouldn't be the first state with a Spanish name. Colorado, California, Nevada...
    Difference is that those named dont sound like Spanish anymore. Plus they joined long ago, before the GOP started to hate latinos.

    But I can't see the GOP allowing the TP to hold them hostage anymore. Not after Akin and Mourdock cost them the Senate.
    Maybe .. maybe not. One can hope that the non Tea Party people join the Dems to block them out.
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    Re: Puerto Rico Votes on US Ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    With the left already owning almost all the major states there is no room to give them another. I'm sure the republicans are dumb enough to do it, but it's self defeating.
    Bush was able to win both Florida* and Ohio in two consecutive elections. And after that, the electoral map shifted to the advantage of the GOP in 2010 by 12 EVs. Two elections don't make a trend.

    *- mandatory asterisk on anything involving Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    A maximum of four electoral votes per state.
    The only motive for this would be partisan. Isn't it enough that a Wyoming vote is worth 6x that of a California vote? The effects of making a Wyoming vote 49.75x that of a California vote would probably be greater than you think. Remember those plans for states that never were from history class? Delmarva, Lincoln, Franklin, Jefferson, Long Island, SoCal, SoFlo. Forget the 51 star flag...start coming up with a 151 star flag.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    All states should be equal or we should do away with the system. Since the later would take an amendment the former is all that is desirable here. There is no room for an all red map and four blue states on the corner with the blue corners winning the whole thing. If you want you can think of it the other way around if it pleases you, but the point still stands. An all blue map with red around the corners is just as bad.
    Assuming Florida* goes to Obama as it is expected to, the blue states will outnumber the red states by 26+DC to 24. I wouldn't refer to that as an "all red map and four blue states in the corner."

    But I agree that the electoral college should be reworked. As it stands, big cities don't have any voice in the matter. NYC, LA, Chicago, Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, San Francisco, San Jose, San Diego, San Antonio, Detroit, Boston. None of them in swing states. Who would ever go there to campaign?
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    Re: Puerto Rico Votes on US Ties

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    When Puerto Rico becomes a state, I'm make sure to gloat about all your accusations of Colonialism Pete.
    Its a fact... they are a colony as long they dont have all the rights and privileges of a citizen and their island is equal to the other areas of the US. I will be very happy when the US stops to be a colonial power
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    Re: Puerto Rico Votes on US Ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    All states should be equal or we should do away with the system. Since the later would take an amendment the former is all that is desirable here. There is no room for an all red map and four blue states on the corner with the blue corners winning the whole thing. If you want you can think of it the other way around if it pleases you, but the point still stands. An all blue map with red around the corners is just as bad.
    However it works out, the vote should be based on population, not on acreage. I wouldn't necessarily oppose doing away with the electoral college, but giving all the states the same number of electoral votes essentially disenfranchises people.



    Self determination is entirely possible to be ignored in our current system. Adding another imbalanced state like Puerto Rico will not help in that regard.

    I'm also not sure what secession and accession has to do with each other.
    Accession meaning the opposite of secession. If you feel I'm misusing the word, that's fine but I'm not interested in semantics here.

    You're basically worried that it throws off the electoral balance. Get your head out of the 1850s. We don't have to worry about slave states vs. free states anymore. Red states vs. Blue states is just as bad, only more flawed. Why should the will of the people of Puerto Rico (or the District of Columbia, for that matter) be held hostage to the power demands of the Republican party. Besides which, why assume they'd vote Democratic? The current Governor (who is elected) is a Republican (name is different in PR, but they are members of the RNC).

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    Re: Puerto Rico Votes on US Ties

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Difference is that those named dont sound like Spanish anymore. Plus they joined long ago, before the GOP started to hate latinos.



    Maybe .. maybe not. One can hope that the non Tea Party people join the Dems to block them out.
    Stop the race baiting. The GOP doesn't hate Latinos.


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    Re: Puerto Rico Votes on US Ties

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Stop the race baiting. The GOP doesn't hate Latinos.
    1.) Latinos is a race?
    2.) Could have fooled me on the "hating" bit. The GOP has gone out of its way to label all Latinos as possible illegals.
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    Re: Puerto Rico Votes on US Ties

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    2.) Could have fooled me on the "hating" bit. The GOP has gone out of its way to label all Latinos as possible illegals.
    How so? Jeb Bush's children are Latino.

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    Re: Puerto Rico Votes on US Ties

    Wrong. The Republican Party is going to cut the Mitt Romney's of the world loose. We don't win when we elect moderates like Romney and McCain. We only win when we elect guys like Bush.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I haven't heard them take a position. I don't think they oppose it. After the TP cost them the opportunity to take the Senate, the GOP is going to cut them loose. They were only good enough as long as it won them elections.

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