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    Re: Puerto Rico Votes on US Ties

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    I would probably let Texas cede. They have been asking for years.
    If they did I'd be first in line.


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    Re: Puerto Rico Votes on US Ties

    When Puerto Rico becomes a state, I'm make sure to gloat about all your accusations of Colonialism Pete.

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    Re: Puerto Rico Votes on US Ties

    If I was in congress the only way I would vote for it is if it came with an end to the electoral college. Any other deal is a non starter. I see nothing to gain from a blue state with seven electoral votes.

    The system already allows you to lose the popular vote and the majority of the states and still win. There is nothing to gain from making that worse.

    On second thought, I would come around if there is a cap at four per state. That should be easier to deal with.
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    Re: Puerto Rico Votes on US Ties

    Some say that the UK would be the 51st state, but frankly I don't think I can handle the stress of your long ass elections.
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    Re: Puerto Rico Votes on US Ties

    Quote Originally Posted by GarzaUK View Post
    Some say that the UK would be the 51st state, but frankly I don't think I can handle the stress of your long ass elections.
    no one says that...
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    Re: Puerto Rico Votes on US Ties

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    It will come down to 2 things....

    The island will have to be renamed Port Rico and they will have to accept English as their only official language. That will be the Tea Party and their backers that will demand that, and well..
    Port Rico? Richport. It wouldn't be the first state with a Spanish name. Colorado, California, Nevada...

    But I can't see the GOP allowing the TP to hold them hostage anymore. Not after Akin and Mourdock cost them the Senate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    no one says that...
    A few do in the UK, but I don't think seriously.
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    Re: Puerto Rico Votes on US Ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If I was in congress the only way I would vote for it is if it came with an end to the electoral college. Any other deal is a non starter. I see nothing to gain from a blue state with seven electoral votes.

    The system already allows you to lose the popular vote and the majority of the states and still win and I see nothing to gain from making that worse.

    On second thought, I would come around if there is a cap at four per state. That should be easier to deal with.
    Just because the GOP wins the Dakotas, there's no way they should count as much as states with a higher population. If you took just Minneapolis and St. Paul, no suburbs, that equals the population of North Dakota. Crops shouldn't get more of a vote than I do.

    Worrying about another "blue state," I thought you were a Libertarian who believed in the rights of people to self-determination. What do you care if the Republicans lose some power? You believe in secession, but not accesssion?


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    Re: Puerto Rico Votes on US Ties

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If I was in congress the only way I would vote for it is if it came with an end to the electoral college. Any other deal is a non starter. I see nothing to gain from a blue state with seven electoral votes.

    The system already allows you to lose the popular vote and the majority of the states and still win. There is nothing to gain from making that worse.

    On second thought, I would come around if there is a cap at four per state. That should be easier to deal with.
    Well...based on 2010 redistricting, and ignoring swing states, red states gained 12 electoral votes on the blue states. Even including Puerto Rico at 7 that's still a gain for red states of 5...though of course I understand right wingers not wanting to volunteer to take +5 over +12. But both parties have said they would support Puerto Rican statehood if a clear majority of Puerto Ricans voted for it. And they say no state has yet been rejected in its application (though I seem to remember Yucatan trying to join the US after the Mexican War and us saying no...but in that case there may not have been an actual vote in congress, only an appeal to the president.)

    What do you mean by "a cap at four per state." A cap of what?

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    Re: Puerto Rico Votes on US Ties

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Just because the GOP wins the Dakotas, there's no way they should count as much as states with a higher population. If you took just Minneapolis and St. Paul, no suburbs, that equals the population of North Dakota. Crops shouldn't get more of a vote than I do.
    All states should be equal or we should do away with the system. Since the later would take an amendment the former is all that is desirable here. There is no room for an all red map and four blue states on the corner with the blue corners winning the whole thing. If you want you can think of it the other way around if it pleases you, but the point still stands. An all blue map with red around the corners is just as bad.

    Worrying about another "blue state," I thought you were a Libertarian who believed in the rights of people to self-determination. What do you care if the Republicans lose some power? You believe in secession, but not accesssion?
    Self determination is entirely possible to be ignored in our current system. Adding another imbalanced state like Puerto Rico will not help in that regard.

    I'm also not sure what secession and accession has to do with each other.
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