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Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

You get more and more disgusted with the American people ... wanting equality?

I get more and more disgusted with the idea that MORALITY and VALUES are not the defining characteristics of this nation's society and government. Just like every other "equality" movement other than the racial one, this movement seeks to destroy thousands of years of perfectly good societal norms without showing any significant advantage to the society as a whole.
 
Oh....you mean the one where people actually live? LOL.....get used to it NP....I love it....even in your state....and soon to be in all 57

Fixed it for you.
 
Thanks for the update........We will see what the SCOTUS says..........Did you happen to notice the breakdown by county? 31 Reject 9 Approve........One county King its more far left then Disney Dude if that is possible.

Um...yeah. Rural areas are less populated, but larger. Urban areas are more populated but smaller.
 
Just wait till the first gay divorce and the wife gets everything.
 
This is GREAT time to get into the gay wedding planning business.
I've talked to a few colleagues of mine who own restaurants,catering companies and banquet halls in the Washington area and they are ecstatic at their state passing SSM.
Lucky bastards.
Maybe I'll expand my company into the Washington area and tap into that market.I have a feeling a lot a gay couples will be rushing into Washington to get married,and I want them to hold their weddings in my banquet halls,I want to cater their weddings,and I want them to have their receptions in my fine dining restaurants.

My company's average on wedding catering is $10,000 per wedding.I have no problem with adding a few hundred thousand to a million plus dollars a year income because of gay weddings.
 
I get more and more disgusted with the idea that MORALITY and VALUES are not the defining characteristics of this nation's society and government.
Quit with the bullcrap, Tigger, and say "MORALITY and VALUES as I DEFINE THEM".
I think allowing gays to marry is a very MORAL thing to do,and is consistent to MY VALUES.


Just like every other "equality" movement other than the racial one, this movement seeks to destroy thousands of years of perfectly good societal norms without showing any significant advantage to the society as a whole.

And we all know what your views on "gender equality" are,Tigger.
You've made it quite know throughout DebatePolitics.com.
Your argument is only valid if gay marriage prevents straight people from getting married.

Care to explain how two people of the same gender getting married effects the marriage of straight people like me and my wife?
Because I for the life of me can't see any way possible that it can effect my marriage to Selena.
 
I get more and more disgusted with the idea that MORALITY and VALUES are not the defining characteristics of this nation's society and government. Just like every other "equality" movement other than the racial one, this movement seeks to destroy thousands of years of perfectly good societal norms without showing any significant advantage to the society as a whole.

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OMG IT'S AGAINST THE NORM!

SOCIETY WILL BE DESTROYED!

I absolutely love it when anti-gay folks cry about humanity being destroyed by gay marriage. It doesn't affect you in the slightest. Guess what happens when gay people are allowed to get married?
gay people get married

I know, shocking isn't it? Hell doesn't freeze over, our community isn't going to die. It is a significant advantage for society as a whole because it's a huge step towards equality and helps shape society's perception. People often say that we're "forcing" gay marriage and LGBT equality on others, and the way I see it, YES WE ARE! We are forcing it on you! Guess what else we forced on traditionalists? The end of slavery, the civil rights movement, and even the women's rights movement. Sometimes people need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy. I just love this.

I love it, I love it, I love it! Tigger, your anti-gay tears are just delicious! :mrgreen:
 
10 years from now, either the entire nation will have ssm or at least all the blue states will. Either way, this is a great day for our community.
 
And we all know what your views on "gender equality" are,Tigger. You've made it quite know throughout DebatePolitics.com.
Your argument is only valid if gay marriage prevents straight people from getting married.

Care to explain how two people of the same gender getting married effects the marriage of straight people like me and my wife?
Because I for the life of me can't see any way possible that it can effect my marriage to Selena.

It devalues the entire concept of Marriage for individuals who should not be allowed to marry to do so. It turns the entire concept into a charade and a side-show; nothing more. I actually have no problem with "civil unions". So far as I'm concerned, the courts can allow any number of people, animals, plants. etc... to be united in a legal contract. HOWEVER, the word "marriage" has historically indicated a religious and social union beyond simply a legal one. That is where I have a problem. This is the first step towards individuals attempting to force other people to find SSM and homosexual activities LEGAL, but socially acceptable, and that is a major step in the wrong direction so far as I'm concerned.

SEE THE POST BELOW FOR PROOF OF THAT....


I absolutely love it when anti-gay folks cry about humanity being destroyed by gay marriage. It doesn't affect you in the slightest. Guess what happens when gay people are allowed to get married?

I know, shocking isn't it? Hell doesn't freeze over, our community isn't going to die. It is a significant advantage for society as a whole because it's a huge step towards equality and helps shape society's perception. People often say that we're "forcing" gay marriage and LGBT equality on others, and the way I see it, YES WE ARE! We are forcing it on you! Guess what else we forced on traditionalists? The end of slavery, the civil rights movement, and even the women's rights movement. Sometimes people need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy. I just love this.

No, it's a step towards SAMENESS, not Equality. It's the same problem that we have with the Feminist movement. That is, the unwillingness for society to accept in this day and age that some things are RIGHT and some things are WRONG, regardless of whatever emotional garbage you use to try and support it. When one accepts that something which is inherently WRONG is now RIGHT, the entire system gets thrown out of whack. Why do you think Western Society has been headed towards the toilet drain of history for the last Century? Mostly because we no longer accept that RIGHT and WRONG are immutable concepts.
 
That is great news, hopefully the gay rights movement in the United States moving forward will help LGBT communities around the world move forward as well. Maybe even homosexuality would be decriminalized in the country am living in during my own lifetime. ;D

You wouldn't believe how many times I've heard "even Americans disapproves of gay marriage/rights" when trying to argue for gay rights in my country.
 
...because we no longer accept that RIGHT and WRONG are immutable concepts.
That is what is so silly about your posts, they never were immutable concepts not now, not during the Roman republic, not during Egyptian empire, etc. Humans have always had differing opinions on what is right or wrong, at no point was there ever worldwide consensus. This country was founded on compromise because our founding fathers couldn't agree on things.

Whoever sold you this fairy tale that things were ever the way you think they were in the past, did you a great disservice.
 
That is what is so silly about your posts, they never were immutable concepts not now, not during the Roman republic, not during Egyptian empire, etc. Humans have always had differing opinions on what is right or wrong, at no point was there ever worldwide consensus. This country was founded on compromise because our founding fathers couldn't agree on things.

Whoever sold you this fairy tale that things were ever the way you think they were in the past, did you a great disservice.

They have been that way in my family for more than 300 years on this continent. That's really all that matters, so far as I'm concerned. My lineage and ancestory is made up of families that had very similar beliefs, and as they came together they grew in strength and numbers because they knew the difference between Right and Wrong.
 
No, it's a step towards SAMENESS, not Equality. It's the same problem that we have with the Feminist movement. That is, the unwillingness for society to accept in this day and age that some things are RIGHT and some things are WRONG, regardless of whatever emotional garbage you use to try and support it. When one accepts that something which is inherently WRONG is now RIGHT, the entire system gets thrown out of whack. Why do you think Western Society has been headed towards the toilet drain of history for the last Century? Mostly because we no longer accept that RIGHT and WRONG are immutable concepts.
I just put your tears into a blender and made a shake, it was the tastiest thing I had all week. :lol:

I won't accept the idea that marriage is only allowed for certain people based on whatever religious scripture says is "inherently right" or "inherently wrong". Religion and faith is for the INDIVIDUAL, it is for YOU. No one is forcing YOU to get gay married, no one is devaluing YOUR marriage. If anything, it's making it even more valuable because now everyone can share in the joy of getting married. Besides, gay marriage is already legal around the world, isn't your marriage already devalued? Is it like a proximity thing? Is your marriage valuable in Idaho but suddenly meaningless when you cross over to Washington? Can I get some more tears for my dinner tonight?

Oh and check this out:
Strong Support for Gay Marriage Now Exceeds Strong Opposition - ABC News

A majority (50% +1) of Americans support gay marriage compared to a few years ago. The world is evolving past it's archaic biases, and Tigger, you're just gonna have to resolve your fear and hatred and accept it, or sit back and become an outcast like the pro-slavery, pro-segregation, pro-sexism crazies.

This is the first step towards individuals attempting to force other people to find SSM and homosexual activities LEGAL, but socially acceptable
This sounds eerily similar to arguments against any other major rights movement in the past couple of centuries. Yes, that is exactly my point, it is being forced on you in order to make it socially acceptable, if you can't learn to progress, you'll just have to deal with I guess. 25u04ch.gif
 
It devalues the entire concept of Marriage for individuals who should not be allowed to marry to do so. It turns the entire concept into a charade and a side-show; nothing more. I actually have no problem with "civil unions". So far as I'm concerned, the courts can allow any number of people, animals, plants. etc... to be united in a legal contract. HOWEVER, the word "marriage" has historically indicated a religious and social union beyond simply a legal one. That is where I have a problem. This is the first step towards individuals attempting to force other people to find SSM and homosexual activities LEGAL, but socially acceptable, and that is a major step in the wrong direction so far as I'm concerned.

SEE THE POST BELOW FOR PROOF OF THAT....




No, it's a step towards SAMENESS, not Equality. It's the same problem that we have with the Feminist movement. That is, the unwillingness for society to accept in this day and age that some things are RIGHT and some things are WRONG, regardless of whatever emotional garbage you use to try and support it. When one accepts that something which is inherently WRONG is now RIGHT, the entire system gets thrown out of whack. Why do you think Western Society has been headed towards the toilet drain of history for the last Century? Mostly because we no longer accept that RIGHT and WRONG are immutable concepts.

your post might be more meaningful if they weren't littered with lies :shrug:
 
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It devalues the entire concept of Marriage for individuals who should not be allowed to marry to do so.
That's your OPINION and you have every right in this Good Ol United States of America to have it.
Just as I have every right to disagree.

It turns the entire concept into a charade and a side-show; nothing more.

That's your OPINION and you have every right in this Good Ol United States of America to have it.
Just as I have every right to disagree.

I actually have no problem with "civil unions". So far as I'm concerned, the courts can allow any number of people, animals, plants. etc... to be united in a legal contract. HOWEVER, the word "marriage" has historically indicated a religious and social union beyond simply a legal one.
Blah,blah,blah,blah,religion,blah,blah,blah,tradition blah blah blah blah blah,blah blah blah blah society is going to crumble blah blah blah blah same old boring tired arguments that really prove nothing blah blah blah....

Let's be honest shall we.

It all boils down to this (in my Opinion,of course)...choose which ones seem to apply.
1- "Tigger doesn't like it"
2- "Tigger's ideological beliefs doesn't like it."
3- "Tigger's spiritual belifs doesn't like it".
4- "Tigger's Deity doesn't like it".
5- "All of the above".

Which is all fine and good by me,but may I point out that I personally am not you,I personally do not subscribe to either your ideology or your spiritual beliefs,and I don't believe in your Deity.
And no one else in this country is required to do so either.

That is where I have a problem.

If that is how you feel,then that is how you feel.There is really nothing I can do about that except state "I couldn't care less,it's not MY problem".

This is the first step towards individuals attempting to force other people to find SSM and homosexual activities LEGAL, but socially acceptable,

Are armed groups of homosexuals trying to storm your house as I type this and force you to accept homosexuality? If so then I suggest you either defend yourself or call the police.
and that is a major step in the wrong direction so far as I'm concerned.

If that is how you feel,then that is how you feel.There is really nothing I can do about that except state "I couldn't care less,it's not MY problem".
That's your OPINION and you have every right in this Good Ol United States of America to have it.
Just as I have every right to disagree.

SEE THE POST BELOW FOR PROOF OF THAT....

Let me see...why that looks to me that Cilogy was stating his OPINION.
And he seems to be using what I believe is called "hyperbole".
He's allowed to do that in this forum, I believe.

But let me ask Cilogy this.
"Are you at this moment armed with a group of equally armed homosexaulstrying to break into Tigger's home to force him into accepting homosexaulity?
If you are,you should stop that,it isn't a very nice thing to your fellow human being".

No, it's a step towards SAMENESS, not Equality.

That's your OPINION and you have every right in this Good Ol United States of America to have it.
Just as I have every right to disagree.

It's the same problem that we have with the Feminist movement.

What's this "we" crap,kemosabe"
Speak for yourself.
That's your OPINION and you have every right in this Good Ol United States of America to have it.
Just as I have every right to disagree.

I personally have no problem with the Feminist movement.

That is, the unwillingness for society to accept in this day and age that some things are RIGHT and some things are WRONG,

According to you.
According to your ideological beliefs
According to your spiritual beliefs.
According to your Deity.

None of which we Americans are required to follow.

That's your OPINION and you have every right in this Good Ol United States of America to have it.
Just as I have every right to disagree.


regardless of whatever emotional garbage you use to try and support it.

That's your OPINION and you have every right in this Good Ol United States of America to have it.
Just as I have every right to disagree.

When one accepts that something which is inherently WRONG is now RIGHT, the entire system gets thrown out of whack. Why do you think Western Society has been headed towards the toilet drain of history for the last Century? Mostly because we no longer accept that RIGHT and WRONG are immutable concepts.

According to you.
According to your ideological beliefs
According to your spiritual beliefs.
According to your Deity.

None of which we Americans are required to follow.

That's your OPINION and you have every right in this Good Ol United States of America to have it.
Just as I have every right to disagree.
 
I won't accept the idea that marriage is only allowed for certain people based on whatever religious scripture says is "inherently right" or "inherently wrong". Religion and faith is for the INDIVIDUAL, it is for YOU. No one is forcing YOU to get gay married, no one is devaluing YOUR marriage. If anything, it's making it even more valuable because now everyone can share in the joy of getting married. Besides, gay marriage is already legal around the world, isn't your marriage already devalued? Is it like a proximity thing? Is your marriage valuable in Idaho but suddenly meaningless when you cross over to Washington? Can I get some more tears for my dinner tonight?

So far as I'm concerned the meaningful world drops off sharply at the US Border, so what people in other countries do is none of my concern or worry. Life is not about joy or happimess. It never has been and never will be.

A word of caution.... wave that red cape in front of the bull long enough you might just get the horns.

A majority (50% +1) of Americans support gay marriage compared to a few years ago. The world is evolving past it's archaic biases, and Tigger, you're just gonna have to resolve your fear and hatred and accept it, or sit back and become an outcast like the pro-slavery, pro-segregation, pro-sexism crazies.

I'm already an outcast. That happened at the moment of my birth due to physical issues and has simply continued with philosophical, emotional, and psychological ones as well. It's nothing new, and in fact something that I relish to a certain degree. I'll take my principles to my grave, even if they're what sends me there.

This sounds eerily similar to arguments against any other major rights movement in the past couple of centuries. Yes, that is exactly my point, it is being forced on you in order to make it socially acceptable, if you can't learn to progress, you'll just have to deal with I guess.

Sorry, but you cannot FORCE me to accept ANYTHING. You can make it very unpleasant for me not to, but you cannot FORCE it upon me. Ask the two banks I no longer do business with because they do not have any MALE tellers on their staff.
 
My oh my gay marriage certainly has brought out the drama queen in some people.
 
Ref. 74 supporters hanging on to hopes of a victory

Looks like Reuters was a little premature on their call.

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