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Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

CaptainCourtesy said:
It's going to pass in Washington, NP. I'll use one of your words... guaranteed.
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You may be right but a lot of the uncounted ballots are from Eastern Washington and that is the Conservative part of the state.
 
Omgitsme said:
Well yes technically that is correct in the sense that neither a homosexual nor a heterosexual can marry someone of the same sex. But I cant say that it is truly equal treatment but only equal treatment in the most strict sense of the word.
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it becomes iffy when subjective gray areas become the standard for the law. For example, there is no doubt that Michael Andretti or Danika Patrick can safely drive a high performance sports car at 200 MPH on many stretches of the Interstate Highway. But we have an objective standard because if we used a subjective standard, the courts would be clogged for years
 
CriticalThought said:
We are waiting for you guys to get on with the legalization of incest, plural marriages, and bestiality. I mean...obviously that is what comes after legalizing same sex marriage.
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I don't see the issue with plural marriages either.
 
TurtleDude said:
it becomes iffy when subjective gray areas become the standard for the law. For example, there is no doubt that Michael Andretti or Danika Patrick can safely drive a high performance sports car at 200 MPH on many stretches of the Interstate Highway. But we have an objective standard because if we used a subjective standard, the courts would be clogged for years
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I dont believe anyone can drive a car 200 MPH on public roads and be safe about it. Although your point is made. What I should have said is people should consider it a major issue when a person or group of people is denied a right or a privilege for no logical reason.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
In YOUR opinion. In my opinion, the things I'm seeing are demonstrating that the country is BEING saved.

See how that works?
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I will see how this works in the next four years if the United States doesn't become another Greece.
 
Tigger said:
WOW. With every election result I see this morning, I get more and more disgusted with the American people.

I am quickly reaching a point where I'm not sure there is any chance that this country can be saved..... FROM ITSELF and ITS CITIZENS.
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Nothing disgusting about equal rights prevailing, now on the other hand being against equal rights, well . . . . . . . . .not so much
 
Navy Pride said:
You may be right but a lot of the uncounted ballots are from Eastern Washington and that is the Conservative part of the state.
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It's done. NP. 100% of the votes have been counted. So... how do you feel about Washington, YOUR state, passing SSM?
 
Navy Pride said:
You may be right but a lot of the uncounted ballots are from Eastern Washington and that is the Conservative part of the state.
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Wrong again NP.....just like always. You will soon be enjoying gay marriage in the great state of Washington...and the chips are beginning to fall. Your ONLY hope was to have Romney stack the court with right-wing activists....but now that won't happen. Gay marriage is going to come before the Supreme Court and it will soon be the law of the land across all of this great nation. I've never been so proud of my country....which is finally living up to its promise of freedom and justice for ALL, not just some.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
It's done. NP. 100% of the votes have been counted. So... how do you feel about Washington, YOUR state, passing SSM?
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I told NP a year ago that even HE would live to see the day that gay marriage became recognized under the law. These states are just the beginning. Bigoted attitudes are changing exponentially. It will soon be available all across this great nation.
 
Dooble said:
Not right, just liberal. Doing what's liberal, for a while now. I wonder when liberals will open the gates to things like plural marriage?
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Oh hell no. Not this **** again.
 
Tigger said:
WOW. With every election result I see this morning, I get more and more disgusted with the American people.

I am quickly reaching a point where I'm not sure there is any chance that this country can be saved..... FROM ITSELF and ITS CITIZENS.
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Times change, people change. That's why we get old and die. Stop your worrying.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
It's done. NP. 100% of the votes have been counted. So... how do you feel about Washington, YOUR state, passing SSM?
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I don't like it but before you start celebrating lets see what the SCOTUS says.
 
Winston gives NP a big giant kiss

:kissy:

And I'm not even gay
 
Navy Pride said:
I don't like it but before you start celebrating lets see what the SCOTUS says.
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I don't think I understand what the SCOTUS has to do with this. Several states have successfully passed gay marriage laws already.
 
TurtleDude said:
I think that if a trained psychiatric doctor were to say something like that his opinion would carry more weight than someone who says something that has no basis on fact and has no training in the area. its why those who wish to give expert opinions in court are required to meet a "Daubert test" and those who cannot are prevented from giving opinions
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I think you missed my initial point, which was to your comment as to the relative importance of SSM.
 
Navy Pride said:
To be honest with you I don't care about DOMA.......Those 32 states that have consitutional amendments defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman is more important.
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Actually they are not. If DOMA is overturned those states will have to, by law, recognize SSM performed in other states. At that point it is all over for those against SSM.
 
TurtleDude said:
Though it gets ridiculed here by those who don't understand the law, but the fact remains that straights and gays are objectively treated the same under the law. What the difference is involves subjective feelings of "attraction"
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This is not true and has not been since the first state legalized SSM. SSM marriages are treated differently in this country.
 
Cilogy said:
I don't think I understand what the SCOTUS has to do with this. Several states have successfully passed gay marriage laws already.
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scotus is conservative, so if they so chose they could strike down any laws legalizing gay marriage.
 
roflpublican said:
scotus is conservative, so if they so chose they could strike down any laws legalizing gay marriage.
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No they could not. The SCOTUS has to work with in the frame work in the US Constitution. And there is nothing in there there about State's expanding and or limiting marriage laws. And if precedence has weight Loving vs Virginia will come into consideration.
 
roflpublican said:
scotus is conservative, so if they so chose they could strike down any laws legalizing gay marriage.
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Why wouldn't they have done that already?
 
winston53660 said:
No they could not. The SCOTUS has to work with in the frame work in the US Constitution. And there is nothing in there there about State's expanding and or limiting marriage laws. And if precedence has weight Loving vs Virginia will come into consideration.
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Cilogy said:
Why wouldn't they have done that already?
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who knows, and loving v virginia was in the 60's when the court was far more liberal.
 
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