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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Its not any different. Why is it illegal to marry a close relation, when its physically impossible for genetic abnormalities to occur from the relationship?

    If its ok to change the definition of marriage to include people of the same sex, then why is there a law banning marriage between relations?

    As Boo Radley stated earlier, its all about more freedom.
    Incest laws are not being challenged. If it comes up for a vote then I will look at the issues surrounding this one topic. Same sex marriage and incest are in no way related, and stand or fall on their own merits.
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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Genetic abnormalities DO occur as a result of incestual relationships.
    And what would they be exactly? Can you list examples, and do you realize that genetic mutation occurs even in clones?


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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    Incest laws are not being challenged. If it comes up for a vote then I will look at the issues surrounding this one topic. Same sex marriage and incest are in no way related, and stand or fall on their own merits.
    Its challenged all the time, especially between first cousins.

    In the arena of same-sex marriages, the challenge revolved around denying someone the right to a marriage.

    You would support denying someone the right the marry a close relation, regardless of sexual orientation?
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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    In states where gay marriage is legal, is it legal for a man to marry his brother or father?
    No. Why do you ask?
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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Its challenged all the time, especially between first cousins. In the arena of same-sex marriages, it revolves around denying someone the right to a marriage. You would support denying someone the right the marry a close relation, regardless of sexual orientation.
    First cousins should be allowed to get married. They are not normally raised together, so no intimate relationship aversion should be expected to result and there increased risk for genetic problems for first generation first cousins' offspring only increases from the average couple about 2%, which isn't that significant (the average couple has about a 2% risk of genetic problems, first cousins is about 4%).

    I predict that this will very likely be the next fight for marriage we see and it probably won't even be that big. I'm willing to bet that there will be very few who are actually against this, at least compared to other types of relationships and their fights (interracial, same sex, more than 2, siblings). Heck, Sarah and Abraham of the Bible were married and they were half-siblings. More states now allow first cousins to get married than those that allow same sex couples to marry.
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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No. Why do you ask?
    he's doing a poor job of trying to advance the fallacy that they are the same thing.

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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

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    And what would they be exactly? Can you list examples, and do you realize that genetic mutation occurs even in clones?


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    I don't know off the top of my head, but I was always under the impression that they tend to create very bad genetic abnormalities.

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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I get more and more disgusted with the idea that MORALITY and VALUES are not the defining characteristics of this nation's society and government. Just like every other "equality" movement other than the racial one, this movement seeks to destroy thousands of years of perfectly good societal norms without showing any significant advantage to the society as a whole.
    Since, as I've told you repeatedly, morals and values are relative, YOUR perception that your morals and values should be those of this country's are irrelevant to anyone but yourself. So speaking about them as if they are givens is inaccurate.
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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Mostly because we no longer accept that RIGHT and WRONG are immutable concepts.
    Right and wrong have never been immutable concepts. That's the basis of why you are wrong about pretty much everything.
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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    I don't know off the top of my head, but I was always under the impression that they tend to create very bad genetic abnormalities.

    Look, I am not advocating allowing incest so please don't get me wrong, but I was addressing the legitimacy and equivalence of the presented argument that among consenting adults, how does it vary? Using the well it's bad for you genetically argument doesn't fly as extensive studies have been done in this area in the last 20 years and nothing really conclusive has been determined one way or the other. I agree that psychologically there is a legitimate argument for reasons against it, and that's good enough for me, but whether your moral idignation is religiously based or scientifically based makes a huge difference when arguing the facts.


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