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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    You have to realize that I see marriage as a very different sort of thing than most other people do. For me it's more of a business arrangement with emotional attachments (not love). What I am suggesting has little to do with any relationship I am or might ever be in. It has to do with the ideal of Marriage as a broad concept and the damage done to that ideal by moving beyond the limits of acceptability.
    But here's the thing, that "limit of acceptability" is changing, it's moving. That's not because of me or because of you, it's because of what is now a majority of Americans who are saying and believing something different.

    You see marriage as a different thing than most people do, okay, so everyone else should follow your narrow vision? That's my point right there, people view marriage differently from person-to-person. There's no way to prove that "traditional marriage" is inherently right. Just because it's what has dominated society for thousands of years doesn't mean it's inherently correct. This is something even pro-slavery folks would have said too, "it's the tradition, so it's inherently right".


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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    In states where gay marriage is legal, is it legal for a man to marry his brother or father?
    Is it legal to marry a parent or sibling for anyone else?
    The incest laws haven't changed.
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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    In states where gay marriage is legal, is it legal for a man to marry his brother or father?
    What does gay marriage have to do with incest again?

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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    But here's the thing, that "limit of acceptability" is changing, it's moving. That's not because of me or because of you, it's because of what is now a majority of Americans who are saying and believing something different.

    You see marriage as a different thing than most people do, okay, so everyone else should follow your narrow vision? That's my point right there, people view marriage differently from person-to-person. There's no way to prove that "traditional marriage" is inherently right. Just because it's what has dominated society for thousands of years doesn't mean it's inherently correct. This is something even pro-slavery folks would have said too, "it's the tradition, so it's inherently right".
    You make the mistake of believing something is Right simply because the Majority of people want to see it that way. I on the other hand believe that Right and Wrong exist totally outside of the concept of personal opinion, and cannot be changed or modified by personal opinion.

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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    Is it legal to marry a parent or sibling for anyone else?
    The incest laws haven't changed.
    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18
    What does gay marriage have to do with incest again?
    Its not any different. Why is it illegal to marry a close relation, when its physically impossible for genetic abnormalities to occur from the relationship?

    If its ok to change the definition of marriage to include people of the same sex, then why is there a law banning marriage between relations?

    As Boo Radley stated earlier, its all about more freedom.

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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Its not any different. Why is it illegal to marry a close relation, when its physically impossible for genetic abnormalities to occur from the relationship?

    If its ok to change the definition of marriage to include people of the same sex, then why is there a law banning marriage between relations?
    Because there is a certain expectation of intimacy involved in marriage. And intimacy, as is found in those who are married, between family members, particularly immediate family (as in those that you were raised with), actually has a mental aversion that develops during our early childhoods. When it doesn't develop, it is almost always due to some form of child abuse or undue influence to force the relationship starting at a very early age. They have even found this intimacy aversion develops in those who are not related but are raised together.
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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    You make the mistake of believing something is Right simply because the Majority of people want to see it that way. I on the other hand believe that Right and Wrong exist totally outside of the concept of personal opinion, and cannot be changed or modified by personal opinion.
    Which is ironic because your personal opinion is that it cannot be changed by personal opinion. This is some amazing circular logic.

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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Why is it illegal to marry a close relation, when its physically impossible for genetic abnormalities to occur from the relationship?
    Genetic abnormalities DO occur as a result of incestual relationships.

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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    You make the mistake of believing something is Right simply because the Majority of people want to see it that way. I on the other hand believe that Right and Wrong exist totally outside of the concept of personal opinion, and cannot be changed or modified by personal opinion.
    But what basis do you justify that with? What says you're right besides your personal view of the world?

    You're essentially using your personal view to say that personal views are not allowed LOL


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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Genetic abnormalities DO occur as a result of incestual relationships.
    But again, its physically impossible for gay relations to create offspring, so why is it not allowed?

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