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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You think denying rights is supporting more freedom. Go on . . . .
    No I think all Americans should have equal rights and they do....I am just against changing the definition of marriage, be it for Gays. Polygamy, inter family, etc.
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    Re: Ref. 74 supporters hanging on to hopes of a victory

    With incoming ballots from King County increasingly favoring the measure — 67.6 percent Wednesday, up from 65.5 percent on Tuesday evening — gay-marriage opponents seemed unlikely to gain enough votes to win


    LOL....NP not reading past the headline in order to cling on to his hope. Sorry NP....as I have told you countless times before...even you will live to see the day that gay marriage is approved. I wasn't expecting your home state to be one of the first, but I congratulate the good people of the State of Washington for rejecting bigotry and supporting freedom and justice for all.
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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm with those supporting more freedom and not those seeking to limit freedom.
    That is where we differ....I am for everyone having the same freedoms.
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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I understood it quite well. What I was attempting to explain is that so far as I'm concerned the rest of the world doesn't exist, so what they do in Germany, Spain, Japan, Brazil, Canada, etc... has no bearing (positive or negative) on the issue for me.
    Okay forget the rest of the world, I just want an answer to my question. You seemed quite worried about the value of your marriage or of straight marriage in general in this country. So do you consider it already devalued or not?


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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    No I think all Americans should have equal rights and they do....I am just against changing the definition of marriage, be it for Gays. Polygamy, inter family, etc.
    Not changing the definition of marriage is not giving same-sex couples equal rights.....

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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    That is where we differ....I am for everyone having the same freedoms.
    Yes, so you support Gay Marriage. Same freedom to marry who you love as heterosexuals have. Glad to have your support.

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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Okay forget the rest of the world, I just want an answer to my question. You seemed quite worried about the value of your marriage or of straight marriage in general in this country. So do you consider it already devalued or not?
    I do believe that it has been devalued to a degree, by the quickie marriage, the ease of divorce, and the general degredation of the ideals of marriage. However, I do believe that those things can (and should) be remedied through appropriate legislation and societal changes because they are simply tweaks that need to be made to adjust the system back closer to what it used to be, and still should be. Once we cross the barrier of gender, there's really no chance that we can ever undo that mistake.

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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I do believe that it has been devalued to a degree, by the quickie marriage, the ease of divorce, and the general degredation of the ideals of marriage. However, I do believe that those things can (and should) be remedied through appropriate legislation and societal changes because they are simply tweaks that need to be made to adjust the system back closer to what it used to be, and still should be. Once we cross the barrier of gender, there's really no chance that we can ever undo that mistake.
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    Diane J. Savino: The case for same-sex marriage | Video on TED.com

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    Re: Gay marriage is approved by popular vote in Maine, Maryland

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I do believe that it has been devalued to a degree, by the quickie marriage, the ease of divorce, and the general degredation of the ideals of marriage. However, I do believe that those things can (and should) be remedied through appropriate legislation and societal changes because they are simply tweaks that need to be made to adjust the system back closer to what it used to be, and still should be. Once we cross the barrier of gender, there's really no chance that we can ever undo that mistake.
    Let's say more and more states legalize gay marriage (hell maybe even all states), and I'm assuming you are married (if not's let's hypothetically say you are):

    1. Will this cause tension between you and your wife?
    2. Will you get divorced because the mere thought of gay people getting married has somehow spread it's disease of gayness to your matrimony?
    3. Will your commitment to each other change in anyway?
    4. Will your love change?
    5. Will you and your wife in any way, shape or form alter your relationship to each other if two completely different people are doing something that has literally no effect on you?

    If the answer to those questions is no (and it is no), then your idea of your marriage being somehow less meaningful is just made up, it's imaginary and you're manufacturing it to sort of repress your own fear and hate. You're living in an imaginary universe where things magically affect each other without rhyme or reason.

    Actually, YOU make your marriage meaningful and valuable. It's based on how YOU choose to define your relationship with your spouse. It's not my responsibility or anyone else's responsibility to affect or influence your marriage with things that happen outside your household. Conservatives often love to talk big about individual liberty and not allowing external forces to influence you because you make your own destiny, but when it comes to issues like this, oh boy, the hypocrisy knows no bounds.
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