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    Re: Colorado, Washington Legalize Recreational Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    And that is the critical part in this. I don't like the idea of legalizing possession WITHOUT legalizing its cultivation and distribution. That would just mean money continuing to go in the pockets of murderers.
    This is the core of my concern around decriminalization of possession (which is different than legalization) without changes in legality of the supply chain. EDIT: And this, rightly so, freaks the crap out of Mexico.

    Likewise, as others mention above, the ‘medical marijuana’ creates a morally corrupting environment. Not from the weed itself but from the wink-and-a-nudge falsehood of a lot (but not all) of its support. It has partially normalized and has been a important PR beachhead for recreational choice but I think it did so with unhealthy side effects.
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    Re: Colorado, Washington Legalize Recreational Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    Might be meaningful if it weren't still illegal under federal law.
    Yeah, but that's only where federal law is applicable. They should have no say here, it's purely a state matter (unless they start shipping it across state lines).

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, but that's only where federal law is applicable. They should have no say here, it's purely a state matter (unless they start shipping it across state lines).
    Ashcroft/Gonzales v. Raich (2005) disagrees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    Ashcroft/Gonzales v. Raich (2005) disagrees.
    Only because federal drug law itself and the feds' ability to make federal drug laws unconnected with interstate commerce wasn't at issue.

    Respondents in this case do not dispute that passage of the CSA, as part of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act, was well within Congress' commerce power. Nor do they contend that any provision or section of the CSA amounts to an unconstitutional exercise of congressional authority. Rather, respondents' challenge is actually quite limited; they argue that the CSA's categorical prohibition of the manufacture and possession of marijuana as applied to the intrastate manufacture and possession of marijuana for medical purposes pursuant to California law exceeds Congress' authority under the Commerce Clause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Only because federal drug law itself and the feds' ability to make federal drug laws unconnected with interstate commerce wasn't at issue.
    You really think they could have made any headway, to pick up extra votes, with those approaches? There is a very good reason why Raich’s team didn’t add those into their argument, and that reason rhymes with “snow hope in hell”.

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    Re: Colorado, Washington Legalize Recreational Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Only because federal drug law itself and the feds' ability to make federal drug laws unconnected with interstate commerce wasn't at issue.
    If you look at the reasoning used, you'll find that it'd apply pretty much equally to the current Colorado state law. Gonzalez was a bad decision, but it does apply here.

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    Re: Colorado, Washington Legalize Recreational Marijuana

    Meh, I prefer the opposition to the feds on this one to be done from the ground up anyway. Arpaio style. I'd love to see the governors involved order their state's law enforcement not to cooperate or lend any resources to the DEA for pot-related matters. When the DEA comes to town we don't have to give them information, backup or even jail space for holding.

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    Re: Colorado, Washington Legalize Recreational Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Meh, I prefer the opposition to the feds on this one to be done from the ground up anyway. Arpaio style. I'd love to see the governors involved order their state's law enforcement not to cooperate or lend any resources to the DEA for pot-related matters. When the DEA comes to town we don't have to give them information, backup or even jail space for holding.
    That's true enough (to a point), but it ain't gonna do a bit of good for the people having their homes raided by the FBI and subsequently being sent to federal prison.

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    Re: Colorado, Washington Legalize Recreational Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    That's true enough (to a point), but it ain't gonna do a bit of good for the people having their homes raided by the FBI and subsequently being sent to federal prison.
    That's going to be a part of the battle. But that sort of thing is a double edge sword. It becomes part of the YouTube media nation and the FBI is very shy about that.

    I see maybe as many as five more states going medical in 2014, and maybe Oregon joining the mix if the WA and CO governments stand their ground. Maybe even California.

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    Re: Colorado, Washington Legalize Recreational Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's going to be a part of the battle. But that sort of thing is a double edge sword. It becomes part of the YouTube media nation and the FBI is very shy about that.

    I see maybe as many as five more states going medical in 2014, and maybe Oregon joining the mix if the WA and CO governments stand their ground. Maybe even California.
    I certainly hope you're right. Frankly I'm somewhat appalled that this didn't happen in California first. Marijuana use isn't even remotely contentious in any of the urban environments (where the bulk of the state population lives). I'd be surprised if it's contentious in the non-urban environments, but I haven't really spent a lot of time outside of the major cities, so I can't be sure.

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