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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You must not understand what a straw man is.

    Moot never claimed that someone said the budget had been cut. Moot was the one who raised the issue

    Raising an issue is *not* a straw man.
    Oh yes it is ... whoever makes the argument that budget cuts, even if there were cuts, caused weakened consulate security have made a straw man argument unless they can show more of a connection.
    I suppose you can say they were a lying pile of **** so if you prefer that, here you go ...

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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    I attended an air show once in Stockton, CA. The pilot of an F15 flew off to the East and in about 12 minutes he returned and told us Lake Tahoe was quite beautiful. I'm not a geography expert in the Med but I'm guessing the air craft we have stationed in Italy could have been over Benghazi within the first hour, now they might have caused a civilian casaulty or two, but at least we would have responded. And just where is the justice this loser in charge promised us for those who were murdered by the rioting looters oh I mean terrorist? And why is there no outrage that a US Ambassador didn't even have a single body guard on site to help him?
    Flight time from Aviano/Lignano to Tripoli 2hrs. 20min. That's commercial speed... 600mph.
    F-16's can fly at Mach 1.2 loaded to do the job. Mach 2.2 naked.

    So, we're talking about 90min with military jets at Mach 1.2 once they scramble.

    They could have flown in their with jets to take care of some business and give our guys a chance... and with slower planes bringing in troops in 2-3 hours.

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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Flight time from Aviano/Lignano to Tripoli 2hrs. 20min. That's commercial speed... 600mph.
    F-16's can fly at Mach 1.2

    So, we're talking about 90min with military jets at Mach 1.2 once they scramble.

    They could have flown in their with jets to take care of some business and give our guys a chance... and with slower planes bringing in troops in 2-3 hours.

    Aviano to Tripoli Flight Time and Duration
    And besides ... if you see you're needed, you need to make bold contemporaneous decisions ... not draw gratuitous "wouldn't have mattered" conclusions days/weeks/months later to excuse the decisions you did make to not act.

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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Oh yes it is ... whoever makes the argument that budget cuts, even if there were cuts, caused weakened consulate security have made a straw man argument unless they can show more of a connection.
    I suppose you can say they were a lying pile of **** so if you prefer that, here you go ...
    Just as I suspected

    You don't know what a straw man is.
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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Just as I suspected

    You don't know what a straw man is.

    Yes I do. Look it up. It applies.

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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, if history is an indicator, a Republican WAS in the White House, and thousands of soldiers were killed or maimed because they were sent into harms way in the wrong country after 911. It also helped tank our economy.
    Aphganistan ???

    There were more than a few other countries we also militarily intervened in after 9-11-01. But your not privileged to know about them and G.W. Bush never politicalized the war against Al Qaeda or other Islamist radicals for his own political gain., Obama can't make such a claim.

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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Aphganistan ???

    There were more than a few other countries we also militarily intervened in after 9-11-01. But your not privileged to know about them and G.W. Bush never politicalized the war against Al Qaeda or other Islamist radicals for his own political gain., Obama can't make such a claim.
    Um, no. Iraq. Remember all those WMD's that the Bush administration said were there? Remember the so-called rocket launcher that was found out to actually be a firetruck BEFORE the invasion? I guess you don't. Those who supported Bush have very short memories where it comes to things like that.

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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Um, no. Iraq. Remember all those WMD's that the Bush administration said were there? Remember the so-called rocket launcher that was found out to actually be a firetruck BEFORE the invasion? I guess you don't. Those who supported Bush have very short memories where it comes to things like that.
    If you ever read the FBI's interrogation of Saddam Hussein, even Saddam was starting to believe he still had WMD's. But it wasn't Bush but the British intelligence services who convinced Bush that there were still WMD's in Iraq.

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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    If you ever read the FBI's interrogation of Saddam Hussein, even Saddam was starting to believe he still had WMD's. But it wasn't Bush but the British intelligence services who convinced Bush that there were still WMD's in Iraq.

    My memory is fine, I actualy know who was saying what and I never drank the libs kool-aid. Saddam Hussein Talks to the FBI
    I bet he was tortured (oh sorry I mean interrogated with enhancement) too and any statements he made under interrogation are pretty much null and void.
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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I bet he was tortured (oh sorry I mean interrogated with enhancement) too and any statements he made under interrogation are pretty much null and void.
    By 2004 Muammar Gaddafi intelligence services was conducting all enhanced interrogations for the CIA. Saddam Hussein was never transported to Libya.

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