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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

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    Yeah a SOD and Joint Chief of Staff Saying They Never talked to Hillary and the State Dept Never Called for Assets.....wonder who was the ****ing Moron that screwed that pooch.



    General Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the State Department never requested "support" in Benghazi:
    "Why didn't you put forces in place to be ready to respond?," Senator John McCain asked the general.

    Dempsey started, "Because we never received a request to do so, number one. And number two, we --"

    McCain iterrupted, "You never heard of Ambassador Stevens's repeated warnings?"

    "I had, through General Ham," responded Dempsey, referring to the commander of AFRICOM. "But we never received a request for support from the State Department, which would have allowed us to put forces--"

    "So it's the State Department's fault?"

    "I'm not blaming the State Department," Dempsey responded.....snip~

    Panetta, Dempsey: No communication with Clinton

    At a Thursday hearing in the Senate, Republican Ted Cruz asked both Leon Panetta and General Dempsey if they had been in contact with Hillary Clinton

    CRUZ: In between 9:42 p.m., Benghazi time, when the first attacks started, and 5:15 am, when Mr. Doherty and Mr. Woods lost their lives, what conversations did either of you have with Secretary Clinton?

    PANETTA: We did not have any conversations with Secretary Clinton

    CRUZ: And General Dempsey, the same is true for you?

    Dempsey confirmed.....snip~

    2012 Benghazi Attack | Newslines
    I wonder if the denied requests for additional security had anything to do with the nearly $300 million the Republicans insist be cut from embassy security and construction budgets.

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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

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    I wonder if the denied requests had anything to do with the nearly $300 million the Republicans insist be cut from embassy security and construction budgets.
    Actually if you look thru the threads you will see I have posted up 3 times Factcheckers....all debunking the Security issue. So you will need to look for a different reason on that one......Just sayin.

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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

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    Actually if you look thru the threads you will see I have posted up 3 times Factcheckers....all debunking the Security issue. So you will need to look for a different reason on that one......Just sayin.
    Rep. Chaffetz says he "absolutely" voted to cut funding for embassy security – CNN Press Room - CNN.com Blogs
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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Was funding actually cut?

    Dana Milbank: Forget about Big Bird - The Washington Post

    For fiscal 2013, the GOP-controlled House proposed spending $1.934 billion for the State Department’s Worldwide Security Protection program — well below the $2.15 billion requested by the Obama administration. House Republicans cut the administration’s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012. (Negotiations with the Democrat-controlled Senate restored about $88 million of the administration’s request.) Last year, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans’ proposed cuts to her department would be “detrimental to America’s national security” — a charge Republicans rejected.

    Ryan, Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Under Ryan’s budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security.
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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

    I meant to ask if Libyan embassy security funding was actually cut and if it was, would that even have affected whatever security was at the consulate?
    If not then it's a

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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    I meant to ask if Libyan embassy security funding was actually cut and if it was, would that even have affected whatever security was at the consulate?
    If not then it's a

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    Yes, answering the question you asked is a straw man!!
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    ◾Biden exaggerated when he said House Republicans cut funding for embassy security by $300 million. The amount approved for fiscal year 2012 was $264 million less than requested, and covers construction and maintenance, not just security.

    Biden’s Libya Claims

    Biden claimed that Ryan “cut embassy security in his budget $300 million below what we asked for.” That’s an exaggeration. The fiscal year 2012 funding was $264 million less than the administration had requested, and the funding isn’t only for security. It covers construction and maintenance as well.


    Biden: Number one, the — this lecture on embassy security — the congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300 million below what we asked for, number one.

    The Obama administration requested $1.801 billion for embassy security, construction and maintenance for the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30, according to The Hill newspaper. And House Republicans came back with a proposal to cut spending to $1.425 billion. Ultimately, the Republican-controlled House agreed to increase funding to $1.537 billion after negotiations with the Senate.

    Biden also claimed that the administration wasn’t aware of security concerns among U.S. officials in Libya before the attack on the consulate in Benghazi that killed four Americans. The vice president said: “[W]e weren’t told they wanted more security there. We did not know they wanted more security again.”

    We can’t say whether requests for more security — which were denied — reached the top. But American officials who worked in Libya over the summer placed the blame on a deputy assistant secretary of state — not top administration officials — when testifying before Congress this week.

    Eric Nordstrom, the top regional security officer in Libya over the summer, said: “All of us at post were in sync that we wanted these resources.”

    Andrew Wood, a Utah National Guardsman who was leading a security team, testified: ”We felt great frustration that those requests were ignored or just never met.”

    They placed the blame squarely on Charlene Lamb, deputy assistant secretary of state for international programs, according to Foreign Policy magazine.....snip~

    FactCheck.org : Veep Debate Violations

    Biden, pressed on the administration's response to the attack in Libya, said, "We weren't told they wanted more security " for diplomatic facilities. That statement is accurate only if you define "we" to mean "people at the White House." A State Department officer in Libya said that he requested additional guards and was turned down by at least one other official in the State Department. The White House said Biden meant that the security requests had not been conveyed to him and others in the executive office. It's possible that Biden and Obama were unaware of that request. Still, it was made in the State Department, which is part of the Obama administration. Even if it didn't make its way up through the bureaucracy, a request was made. We rate the statement Mostly False.....snip~

    PolitiFact | Fact-checking the vice presidential debate

    Statement:

    Biden: "The congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300 million below what we asked for."

    The facts:

    According to Democratic House Oversight Committee staff, the amount that the GOP-led House passed for two accounts that pay for embassy security in fiscal 2012 ($2.311 billion) was $330 million less than the Obama administration had requested ($2.641 billion).

    A GOP House Appropriations Committee aide confirmed the House bill had less in these accounts than what the administration requested.

    However, the final bill, after being worked on by the Democratic-led Senate, put in more money than what had passed in the House. The final bill, which passed with bipartisan support, gave a total of $2.37 billion to these accounts for fiscal 2012 -- about $270 million less than what the administration had requested.

    Conclusion: The GOP-led House did initially approve about $330 million less than what the administration requested, but in the final bill, passed with bipartisan support after adjustments by the Senate, put the amount a little closer to the administration's target

    CNN Fact Check: What about the security in Benghazi? - CNN.com
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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, answering the question you asked is a straw man!!
    Don't misunderstand ... I wasn't suggesting your answer was a straw man but rather whoever suggested security funding cuts were to blame was making a straw man argument unless they could show cuts actually resulted in security reductions at the consulate.

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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Don't misunderstand ... I wasn't suggesting your answer was a straw man but rather whoever suggested security funding cuts were to blame was making a straw man argument unless they could show cuts actually resulted in changes at the consulate.
    You must not understand what a straw man is.

    Moot never claimed that someone said the budget had been cut. Moot was the one who raised the issue

    Raising an issue is *not* a straw man.
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