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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

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    No, I can't describe what the international consequences would be. I really don't care either. We are living in the year 2012 (almost 2013). If other countries haven't learned how to be humane to each other, then let them duke it out. Why should we keep sacrificing our own money, resources, and people?
    Yes, it would be wonderful if we could just all go home, everyone would put down their arms and political ambitions, and all the problems of the world would magically disappear.

    But this is not the world we were born into nor the world we will leave behind us.

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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, it would be wonderful if we could just all go home, everyone would put down their arms and political ambitions, and all the problems of the world would magically disappear.

    But this is not the world we were born into nor the world we will leave behind us.
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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

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    Benghazi attack : The Two-Way : NPR

    According to this, they tried sending in troops, but there were no troops close enough to get there in time.



    also:



    Is not using the super secret CIA time machine an impeachable offense?

    (Normally, I don't like using NPR as a source here because it will be attacked. However, since the Daily Caller and WND are being used by the right these days....)
    It was a lie... they could have had troops there in time, and since when do we not even try?
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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Okay, so if we get up in arms about 4 dead Americans, will you ask for Bush's head over 3000?
    I asked the question in another thread concerning the apparent cover-up what Republicans (Rep. Issa) hopes to gain here. Yes, the death of an American on foreign soil is unfortunate if not tragic depending on the circumstances surrounding their death, but we're talking about 4 people who lost their lives not merely because of inaction by State Dept. officials but under funding by Congress as well.

    The one thing folks continue to point their finger at is "who changed the talking points"? Quoting some Republican officials, "La-De-Dah and Whoop-De-Doo!" So, the rational given for the attack was changed so as not to....what? Give more credibility to a terrorist organization that remains fractured? IMO, continued attempts to "get to the truth" as it were only aids to embolden THEM and cause an even greater divide among US. And it's unfortunate that many of you can't see that. Still, I'll play along mainly because I do believe the Obama Administration should own up to the changes for whatever reason they did it. But that doesn't change the fact that certain members of the Republican Party have spent the last 8 months fussing over the death of 4 people and the consequential ineptness of certain members of the Obama Administration when they really should be focused on so many other things of far more importance.

    What's the Republican's (Rep. Issa's) end-game on Benghazi? What exactly do they (he) hope to gain here?

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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I asked the question in another thread concerning the apparent cover-up what Republicans (Rep. Issa) hopes to gain here. Yes, the death of an American on foreign soil is unfortunate if not tragic depending on the circumstances surrounding their death, but we're talking about 4 people who lost their lives not merely because of inaction by State Dept. officials but under funding by Congress as well.

    The one thing folks continue to point their finger at is "who changed the talking points"? Quoting some Republican officials, "La-De-Dah and Whoop-De-Doo!" So, the rational given for the attack was changed so as not to....what? Give more credibility to a terrorist organization that remains fractured? IMO, continued attempts to "get to the truth" as it were only aids to embolden THEM and cause an even greater divide among US. And it's unfortunate that many of you can't see that. Still, I'll play along mainly because I do believe the Obama Administration should own up to the changes for whatever reason they did it. But that doesn't change the fact that certain members of the Republican Party have spent the last 8 months fussing over the death of 4 people and the consequential ineptness of certain members of the Obama Administration when they really should be focused on so many other things of far more importance.

    What's the Republican's (Rep. Issa's) end-game on Benghazi? What exactly do they (he) hope to gain here?
    Yeah.....hopefully you will figure that part about those still serving in such a position and being able to trust in their Government. So that the Direct and personal incompetency does not Ever take place again. As well as those managerial failures leading to Consequences. Also so that Democrats understand those Big Warning Signs that they refused to accept as such. Like prior attacks upon the Same Consulate and the Attempts to kill other Ambassadors. Such as the Brits and Italians.

    As well as the Attack being in direct correlation with the Anniversary of 911 and 23 Muslim Countries Rising up due to a Sunni Cleric in Egypt using Social media.

    That would be those common sense warnings that Team Obama refused to acknowledge.

    Course then figuring out what actually took place and that why after 8 months the investigation still hasn't brought anyone to Justice. Which was what Obama promised to do. Back then when the attack occurred and then just the other day. After he said he didn't know about any Whistleblowers. Or that people that were survivors wanted to testify.

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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah.....hopefully you will figure that part about those still serving in such a position and being able to trust in their Government. So that the Direct and personal incompetency does not Ever take place again. As well as those managerial failures leading to Consequences. Also so that Democrats understand those Big Warning Signs that they refused to accept as such. Like prior attacks upon the Same Consulate and the Attempts to kill other Ambassadors. Such as the Brits and Italians.

    As well as the Attack being in direct correlation with the Anniversary of 911 and 23 Muslim Countries Rising up due to a Sunni Cleric in Egypt using Social media.

    That would be those common sense warnings that Team Obama refused to acknowledge.

    Course then figuring out what actually took place and that why after 8 months the investigation still hasn't brought anyone to Justice. Which was what Obama promised to do. Back then when the attack occurred and then just the other day. After he said he didn't know about any Whistleblowers. Or that people that were survivors wanted to testify.
    So, essentially what you're saying is Rep. Issa's on a witch hunt.

    Look, while I can appreciate the search for truth here (i.e., who did or DIDN'T do what and why?), I don't think the answers that ultimately come from these continued inquiries will yield any more information than that which we already know. So, what do we know?

    - Congress didn't appropriate sufficient funds to station U.S. security forces at our embassies abroad, specifically in troubled "hot spots" like Libya.
    - Request by low ranking State Dept. personnel for increased security were denied, ignored or otherwise downplayed.
    - The attack on the Libyan Embassy were falsely blamed on a spontaneous uprising initiated by an anti-Islamic video.
    - 4 Americans died as a result of inadequate security forces at the Libyan Embassy.
    - No contingency force was deployed on-station in sufficient force levels to push back against the uprising.
    - The Obama Administration's "response-time" by most accounts was inadequate or non-existent to tackle the uprising.

    I don't disagree with the majority viewpoint that mistakes were made all around (and I haven't even touched on the errors made by the CIA or the Defense Dept), but if folks are looking for something impeachable to hang around this President's neck over the Benghazi raid, I'd say you're barking up the wrong tree. It's highly unlikely any concrete evidence will be found that points to ineptness by this President over Benghazi. If anything, the majority of the blame rests with State, Defense and intel (CIA). Other than changing the talking points (which I believe weren't changed by WH officials if I've read recent articles concerning the matter correctly), there's really nothing that points directly to him.

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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    So, essentially what you're saying is Rep. Issa's on a witch hunt.

    Look, while I can appreciate the search for truth here (i.e., who did or DIDN'T do what and why?), I don't think the answers that ultimately come from these continued inquiries will yield any more information than that which we already know. So, what do we know?

    - Congress didn't appropriate sufficient funds to station U.S. security forces at our embassies abroad, specifically in troubled "hot spots" like Libya.
    - Request by low ranking State Dept. personnel for increased security were denied, ignored or otherwise downplayed.
    - The attack on the Libyan Embassy were falsely blamed on a spontaneous uprising initiated by an anti-Islamic video.
    - 4 Americans died as a result of inadequate security forces at the Libyan Embassy.
    - No contingency force was deployed on-station in sufficient force levels to push back against the uprising.
    - The Obama Administration's "response-time" by most accounts was inadequate or non-existent to tackle the uprising.

    I don't disagree with the majority viewpoint that mistakes were made all around (and I haven't even touched on the errors made by the CIA or the Defense Dept), but if folks are looking for something impeachable to hang around this President's neck over the Benghazi raid, I'd say you're barking up the wrong tree. It's highly unlikely any concrete evidence will be found that points to ineptness by this President over Benghazi. If anything, the majority of the blame rests with State, Defense and intel (CIA). Other than changing the talking points (which I believe weren't changed by WH officials if I've read recent articles concerning the matter correctly), there's really nothing that points directly to him.
    Wrong on Congress didn't approve sufficient funds. Fact Check, Politico, and Politi-fact already debunked that falsehood talking point by the Democrats used as a deflection due to their Incompetence and for being inept. Moreover after they discovered Obama's Budget had already Cut money from that area.

    I doubt any can get Obama Impeached over this. So that again is a false Democratic Underground talking point that they and Team Obama has put out there. But it will go down Obama's Record as Incompetency. No matter how Cool he tries to play it. As his Foreign policy is a Failure. Which truly is not surprising for Democrats anyways. As they have always been failure when it comes to Foreign Policy and Foreign Affairs. It's just part of their make up that they cannot ever get rid of!

    Now what has also been discovered.....is that it was a Pre-planned and pre-determined attack. Which Team Obama stated it wasn't. Now we discover that AQ was Involved from the very beginning. Another claim by Obama that there was no AQ involved.

    So we do have a White House Administration that falsified information to the American people. All due to being in denial over AQ.

    Then there is the matter of Team Obama Dropping the ball on the Anniversary of 911. Due to Obama being more focused on his Re-Election and due to the MSM in Sept of 2012 reporting Obama was behind Romney in the Polls.

    See for Obama it was a party......until Reality came round and put him in check. Then it was Team Obama going for damage control since Reality had jacked their Azz.

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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

    Re: Embassy funding debunked

    The articles and emails I've read said differently, but I'll concede that the funding storyline given wasn't accurate. Still, even you concede there likely won't be anything new that comes from the hearings that would change things for the President. Regardless, I think it's now clear what Rep. Issa and the GOPs end-game truly is concerning their Benghazi witch hunt:

    STOP/DISCREDIT HILLARY before she's able to get her feet firmly set for a 2016 presidential run.

    Democrats say the Oversight committee’s investigation — and the focus on Clinton — are politically motivated. A Quinnipiac University poll released Thursday found that Clinton would garner 65 percent of her party’s support if the 2016 presidential primary were held now, far ahead of Vice President Biden’s 13 percent.

    “The meta message that they’re trying to get out there is that this is a failure in judgment that goes to character,” Virginia Rep. Gerry Connolly, a senior Democrat on the Oversight and Foreign Affairs panels, told The Hill. “It didn’t work with Obama, so [they’re hoping that] maybe it’ll stick to Clinton.

    “They’re trying to bring her numbers down. That’s what this is all about.”
    Read more: New Benghazi probe evidence puts spotlight back on Clinton - The Hill's Global Affairs

    Good Luck with that.
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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Re: Embassy funding debunked

    The articles and emails I've read said differently, but I'll concede that the funding storyline given wasn't accurate. Still, even you concede there likely won't be anything new that comes from the hearings that would change things for the President. Regardless, I think it's now clear what Rep. Issa and the GOPs end-game truly is concerning their Benghazi witch hunt:

    STOP/DISCREDIT HILLARY before she's able to get her feet firmly set for a 2016 presidential run.



    Read more: New Benghazi probe evidence puts spotlight back on Clinton - The Hill's Global Affairs

    Good Luck with that.

    Looks like they may just have got that luck.....since they have an Email Cable With Clinton contacting the Libyan President and telling him they knew it was Ansar al Shariah on the 12th of Sept. A week before Rice went out on the Sunday talk Shows. There goes that theory that about the Demonstrations and what Rice was allegedly being told.

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    Re: U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

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    A poster put up an amazing video earlier this week. I can't find it. It showed individual soldiers being taken out from an airplane . . . with what looked to be short-burst strafing. (I know nothing, remember. Ha!) You could see the guns in their hands and slung across their backs. It was amazing.

    Edit: Not that I don't understand what you're saying, by the way. I just had a thought though. Why doesn't the U.S. military have tear gas they can disburse across a large area to handle mobs like that? If we don't? We should.
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