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Polish Catholic Church in Halloween warning

You really have no idea what you are talking about, do you?

I do. In Germany there was more of a proliferation of folkloric traditions (some were bad magic, others were meant to counteract bad magic) that the Protestants were completely uneasy with. The nature of the German witchcraft trials take on a different flavor than that of the Catholic witchcraft hunts for much of this reason.
 
I do. In Germany there was more of a proliferation of folkloric traditions (some were bad magic, others were meant to counteract bad magic) that the Protestants were completely uneasy with. The nature of the German witchcraft trials take on a different flavor than that of the Catholic witchcraft hunts for much of this reason.

ROFLMAO. As a student of much religious history, I can safely say you have no idea what you are talking about. You might want to spend the rest of today reading about Martin Luther and the early protestants, if you are interested in brushing the ignorance off your brain, which I highly doubt. In either case, stop making crap up on the internet you know jack about.
 
ROFLMAO. As a student of much religious history, I can safely say you have no idea what you are talking about. You might want to spend the rest of today reading about Martin Luther and the early protestants, if you are interested in brushing the ignorance off your brain, which I highly doubt. In either case, stop making crap up on the internet you know jack about.

That's okay. I studied under a historian that specialized in witchcraft.
 
That's okay. I studied under a historian that specialized in witchcraft.

Early christian church is entirely different than the protestant reformation. You obviously paid little attention, or your "historian" is a liar/moron.
 
Early christian church is entirely different than the protestant reformation.

That was my point....my additional point was that the early Christian Church also differed from itself in its approach such problems, with the Kyteler trial being a key shift in perceptions.

You obviously paid little attention, or your "historian" is a liar/moron.

I did quite well, and he is quite accomplished.
 
Halloween has been secularized.
Very few people celebrate it, as a pagan religion.

Monserrat hit the nail on the head. This isn't about Halloween being about witchery and devil worship. God is not going to send little kids to hell for trick or treating. But from our perspective as Catholics, the glorification of the occult (which is undeniable) is a near occasion to sin. Sin is a sickness of the soul, and when somebody gets acclimated to the occult by thinking its all in good fun it can be a slippery slope. There is real danger here, and the advice is sound.
 
Because all these warnings make Catholics (and other religious folks who say this crap) real sticks in the mud.
Most of us are tired of hearing it.

If you think it's sinful, don't observe it.
You can spare us all the warnings.

He DID spare you the warning. The warning is for Catholics, or for people who want to avoid sin. If you don't care then oh we'll. I for one am tired of hearing all the people whining about how the Church conducts its own internal affairs.
 
That was my point....my additional point was that the early Christian Church also differed from itself in its approach such problems, with the Kyteler trial being a key shift in perceptions.

What exactly was your point? And how is something "different from itself". Was your English teacher as "accomplished" as your witchcraft teacher?
 
What exactly was your point? And how is something "different from itself". I guess your English teacher was as accomplished as your witchcraft teacher?

The first proposition was that there was no such thing as witches: it was delusional thinking. Then it changed its viewpoint, but more or less saw much of it a matter of heresy rather than, say, act really concerned about taking a toad's body parts and use it to ward off the effects of a spell.

If you're upset about my prose (or lack of it), too bad.
 
I am shining a light on the fact that the association of Halloween and the occult largely arises from w/in churches. Ime, it almost entirely exists in bad fiction and in October sermons.
The connection of Halloween and the occult is mostly promoted by churches telling us about the connection between Halloween and the occult.
Churches are by far the greatest promoter the association of occult devilry and Halloween.
To me, it seems that if they actually wanted to diminish the association of occult devilry and Halloween, they would stop promoting the connection.
Whereas, instead, every October they trumpet the connection.

That's the result of your ears.

lol


That's fine by me.

Attention, anyone who thinks, please disregard me noticing that churches are by far the largest promoters of the association of devilry and Halloween.

Take a look for yourselves and see if there're any groups outside of churches who devote greater efforts to promoting the association of devilry and Halloween.

Let me know if you find any groups who devote more time to promoting that connection too if you don't mind.

Both of you are at least somewhat wrong if not totally wrong. Halloween comes for pagan origins, primarily Irish folklore. The RCC was famous for gobbling up pagan holidays and making them Christian. You are wrong in saying it comes from Churches, and Guy is wrong in its origins well. Guy is correct though in defending the bishop about only warning people of the sinful nature of the holiday, and that it is generally RCC business.
 
You are wrong in saying it comes from Churches...
I don't think I used the word only. and you seem to be using one pronoun to describe two different things--one being the promotion of the idea that Halloween is associated with devilry and the other being the origins of Halloween.

What other groups spend more energy trying to attach devilry to Halloween than churches?
 
Both of you are at least somewhat wrong if not totally wrong. Halloween comes for pagan origins, primarily Irish folklore. The RCC was famous for gobbling up pagan holidays and making them Christian. You are wrong in saying it comes from Churches, and Guy is wrong in its origins well. Guy is correct though in defending the bishop about only warning people of the sinful nature of the holiday, and that it is generally RCC business.
No, i am not wrong about the origins of Halloween. It is called All Hallow's Eve because it is the night before All Hallows, which is also known as All Saints Day, a Catholic Holy Day of Obligation. Yet again you falsely accuse me of being wrong about something well-known, indeed patently obvious.
 
I don't think I used the word only. and you seem to be using one pronoun to describe two different things--one being the promotion of the idea that Halloween is associated with devilry and the other being the origins of Halloween.

What other groups spend more energy trying to attach devilry to Halloween than churches?

Aside from clothing manufacturers, media representatives, local tradition, and neo-paganists themselves?

I mean, I'm certainly not concerned about the holiday itself, but it's a bit hard to deny the long-standing tradition of running around as a demon with your little bucket trying to get candy, watching Dracula movies, and so on.
 
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He DID spare you the warning. The warning is for Catholics, or for people who want to avoid sin. If you don't care then oh we'll. I for one am tired of hearing all the people whining about how the Church conducts its own internal affairs.

And what a fine job the RCC does - 'do as we say, not as we do' - over and over again.

The church conducts their 'own internal affairs' by spitting in the face of local laws, and ignoring the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Hypocrisy at it's finest!
 
And what a fine job the RCC does - 'do as we say, not as we do' - over and over again.

The church conducts their 'own internal affairs' by spitting in the face of local laws, and ignoring the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Hypocrisy at it's finest!
This is nothing but a bigotted diatribe and does not merit any serious response.
 
Why do you care what someone else believes? I don't recall the archbishop knocking on your door admonishing you to put down the candy corn.

I'm perfectly fine with what other people belief, as long as they keep it to themselves.
It's not just Catholics that do this though, many other sects of Christianity do this to.

It's quite annoying.
 
No, i am not wrong about the origins of Halloween. It is called All Hallow's Eve because it is the night before All Hallows, which is also known as All Saints Day, a Catholic Holy Day of Obligation. Yet again you falsely accuse me of being wrong about something well-known, indeed patently obvious.

Samhain predates All Saints Day by a few centuries and it wasn't even on the same day, until Pope Gregory changed the date.
It used to be on May 13.
 
Monserrat hit the nail on the head. This isn't about Halloween being about witchery and devil worship. God is not going to send little kids to hell for trick or treating. But from our perspective as Catholics, the glorification of the occult (which is undeniable) is a near occasion to sin. Sin is a sickness of the soul, and when somebody gets acclimated to the occult by thinking its all in good fun it can be a slippery slope. There is real danger here, and the advice is sound.

To practice the Occult, you have to ya know, want to do so.
Dressing up and going door to door for candy, is no more practicing the occult, as having a Yule log.
 
Samhain predates All Saints Day by a few centuries and it wasn't even on the same day, until Pope Gregory changed the date.
It used to be on May 13.
So what? We're talking about Halloween, not some pre Christian festival that go coopted. Halloween is a Catholic holiday, end of story.
 
To practice the Occult, you have to ya know, want to do so.
Dressing up and going door to door for candy, is no more practicing the occult, as having a Yule log.
Are you being purposefully oblivious? When people become accustomed to the occult it is dangerous, it makes them more likely to want to. In a sense the occult traditions "in good fun" are a gateway drug to acceptance of occult practices and who knows what. At best it represents a dangerous indifferentism. It is a near occasion to sin.
 
So what? We're talking about Halloween, not some pre Christian festival that go coopted. Halloween is a Catholic holiday, end of story.

All the current secular practices of Halloween were part of the non secular practices of Samhain.
Which was later goggled up by the RCC, in an attempt to remove/reduce it's effect.

It's the part of the same reason Christmas has co opted so many pagan traditions.
They wanted more members and they wanted to get rid of older religions.
 
I'm perfectly fine with what other people belief, as long as they keep it to themselves.
It's not just Catholics that do this though, many other sects of Christianity do this to.

It's quite annoying.

Why don't you provide a good example by keeping your anti Catholic beliefs?
 
Are you being purposefully oblivious? When people become accustomed to the occult it is dangerous, it makes them more likely to want to. In a sense the occult traditions "in good fun" are a gateway drug to acceptance of occult practices and who knows what. At best it represents a dangerous indifferentism. It is a near occasion to sin.

If people were doing Occult practices, say like worshiping the god/gods of the Occult, you'd have a point.
But they aren't, so you really don't.

In this sense though, it's really not Occultism, but paganism.
Which just means, a religion different from RC.

Most of these religions are not devil worship.
 
All the current secular practices of Halloween were part of the non secular practices of Samhain.
Which was later goggled up by the RCC, in an attempt to remove/reduce it's effect.

It's the part of the same reason Christmas has co opted so many pagan traditions.
They wanted more members and they wanted to get rid of older religions.

Folk traditions are not the same as Catholic Holy Days. Halloween is the day before All Saints and Christmas is the Feast of the Nativity. Incidental pagan traditions are just that, incidental.
 
Why don't you provide a good example by keeping your anti Catholic beliefs?

I'm not anti Catholic but more of, anti "stop telling me I'm sinning."
Because you're not the authority on what is and is not sin.

God is and I'm more than sure, that if God does exist, that he/she is wise and just enough to know, that most people are not practicing devilry.
 
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