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    Re: Polish Catholic Church in Halloween warning

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Halloween has been secularized.
    Very few people celebrate it, as a pagan religion.
    Monserrat hit the nail on the head. This isn't about Halloween being about witchery and devil worship. God is not going to send little kids to hell for trick or treating. But from our perspective as Catholics, the glorification of the occult (which is undeniable) is a near occasion to sin. Sin is a sickness of the soul, and when somebody gets acclimated to the occult by thinking its all in good fun it can be a slippery slope. There is real danger here, and the advice is sound.

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    Re: Polish Catholic Church in Halloween warning

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Because all these warnings make Catholics (and other religious folks who say this crap) real sticks in the mud.
    Most of us are tired of hearing it.

    If you think it's sinful, don't observe it.
    You can spare us all the warnings.
    He DID spare you the warning. The warning is for Catholics, or for people who want to avoid sin. If you don't care then oh we'll. I for one am tired of hearing all the people whining about how the Church conducts its own internal affairs.

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    Re: Polish Catholic Church in Halloween warning

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    That was my point....my additional point was that the early Christian Church also differed from itself in its approach such problems, with the Kyteler trial being a key shift in perceptions.
    What exactly was your point? And how is something "different from itself". Was your English teacher as "accomplished" as your witchcraft teacher?

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    Re: Polish Catholic Church in Halloween warning

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    What exactly was your point? And how is something "different from itself". I guess your English teacher was as accomplished as your witchcraft teacher?
    The first proposition was that there was no such thing as witches: it was delusional thinking. Then it changed its viewpoint, but more or less saw much of it a matter of heresy rather than, say, act really concerned about taking a toad's body parts and use it to ward off the effects of a spell.

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    Re: Polish Catholic Church in Halloween warning

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I am shining a light on the fact that the association of Halloween and the occult largely arises from w/in churches. Ime, it almost entirely exists in bad fiction and in October sermons.
    The connection of Halloween and the occult is mostly promoted by churches telling us about the connection between Halloween and the occult.
    Churches are by far the greatest promoter the association of occult devilry and Halloween.
    To me, it seems that if they actually wanted to diminish the association of occult devilry and Halloween, they would stop promoting the connection.
    Whereas, instead, every October they trumpet the connection.

    That's the result of your ears.

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    That's fine by me.

    Attention, anyone who thinks, please disregard me noticing that churches are by far the largest promoters of the association of devilry and Halloween.

    Take a look for yourselves and see if there're any groups outside of churches who devote greater efforts to promoting the association of devilry and Halloween.

    Let me know if you find any groups who devote more time to promoting that connection too if you don't mind.
    Both of you are at least somewhat wrong if not totally wrong. Halloween comes for pagan origins, primarily Irish folklore. The RCC was famous for gobbling up pagan holidays and making them Christian. You are wrong in saying it comes from Churches, and Guy is wrong in its origins well. Guy is correct though in defending the bishop about only warning people of the sinful nature of the holiday, and that it is generally RCC business.
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    Re: Polish Catholic Church in Halloween warning

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You are wrong in saying it comes from Churches...
    I don't think I used the word only. and you seem to be using one pronoun to describe two different things--one being the promotion of the idea that Halloween is associated with devilry and the other being the origins of Halloween.

    What other groups spend more energy trying to attach devilry to Halloween than churches?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Polish Catholic Church in Halloween warning

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Both of you are at least somewhat wrong if not totally wrong. Halloween comes for pagan origins, primarily Irish folklore. The RCC was famous for gobbling up pagan holidays and making them Christian. You are wrong in saying it comes from Churches, and Guy is wrong in its origins well. Guy is correct though in defending the bishop about only warning people of the sinful nature of the holiday, and that it is generally RCC business.
    No, i am not wrong about the origins of Halloween. It is called All Hallow's Eve because it is the night before All Hallows, which is also known as All Saints Day, a Catholic Holy Day of Obligation. Yet again you falsely accuse me of being wrong about something well-known, indeed patently obvious.

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    Re: Polish Catholic Church in Halloween warning

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I don't think I used the word only. and you seem to be using one pronoun to describe two different things--one being the promotion of the idea that Halloween is associated with devilry and the other being the origins of Halloween.

    What other groups spend more energy trying to attach devilry to Halloween than churches?
    Aside from clothing manufacturers, media representatives, local tradition, and neo-paganists themselves?

    I mean, I'm certainly not concerned about the holiday itself, but it's a bit hard to deny the long-standing tradition of running around as a demon with your little bucket trying to get candy, watching Dracula movies, and so on.
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    Re: Polish Catholic Church in Halloween warning

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    He DID spare you the warning. The warning is for Catholics, or for people who want to avoid sin. If you don't care then oh we'll. I for one am tired of hearing all the people whining about how the Church conducts its own internal affairs.
    And what a fine job the RCC does - 'do as we say, not as we do' - over and over again.

    The church conducts their 'own internal affairs' by spitting in the face of local laws, and ignoring the teachings of Jesus Christ.

    Hypocrisy at it's finest!
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    Re: Polish Catholic Church in Halloween warning

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    And what a fine job the RCC does - 'do as we say, not as we do' - over and over again.

    The church conducts their 'own internal affairs' by spitting in the face of local laws, and ignoring the teachings of Jesus Christ.

    Hypocrisy at it's finest!
    This is nothing but a bigotted diatribe and does not merit any serious response.

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