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AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks

the_recruit said:
Yes. Because we, as humans, exhibit subconscious preferences whether we are aware of it or not. I'm not saying "other people" get to decide the inner workings of your mind. I'm saying YOU - your conscious self - do not get to control the subconscious workings of your mind. Your mind does that all on its own and you have no direct control over it.

But maybe you don't harbor any implicit racism at all Maggie. Feel free to take the implicit association test yourself and find out.

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/selectatest.html
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Its a junk test.

The first thing the ask to determine if you are are a racist is what state you live in and your party affiliation.

So the questionaire begins by asserting whether or not a person is a racist depends upon where you live and what political party you prefer and are you conservative or liberal.

At that point, it is a junk questionaire.

I went on from there, but then decided "to hell with this" when it wanted you to look at people's faces only and declare whether the person is a "bad" person or a "good" person. I can't not imagine anyone but a PURE RACIST seeing that as a valid questionaire at all. How the hell do I know if a person is "bad" or "good?"

Thanks for totally wasting my time.

DO NOT BOTHER WITH THAT "TEST" - it takes you thru piles of pages of crap, all beginning with whether you are a racist or not is based upon where you live, whether you are conservative or liberal, and what political party you prefer. THAT is "Harvards" basis to determine who is and isn't a racist.

BUT who is the racist is whoever created the "questionaire" - declaring a person can decide who is bad and who is good by looking at the person's face. What a bunch of crap!
 
Somerville said:
Ann Coulter was on the Bill Maher show recently and said “real racism,” for the most part, no longer exists in the United States.



Poll results

Academic analysis


So far comments I've read are saying this is nothing more than blatant propaganda on the part of the Obama campaign, an attempt to 'shame' ignorant white folks into voting for that black guy -- I so luvs me the True Believers :roll:
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If you look at this, its just trying to instill white-guilt crap, totally worthless as a "poll" or "academic analysis."
 
joko104 said:
Its a junk test.

The first thing the ask to determine if you are are a racist is what state you live in and your party affiliation.

So the questionaire begins by asserting whether or not a person is a racist depends upon where you live and what political party you prefer and are you conservative or liberal.
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yeah. what relevance does where you live have on whether or not you are a racist? other than to feed into their preconceived stereotypes of who is or is not racist. an interesting experiment (but not interesting enough for me to spend the time wading through all that crap twice) would be to take the survey twice and answer the first part differently each time (conservative southerner once and liberal northerner once) then make all the other choices the same and see if you get the same results or if the "demographics" questions influence how racist they think you are
 
Today the NPR in my area had a guy on claiming "The majority of people against Obama are racist". I almost took an accidental dump in the bathtub.
 
I'm racist against racists.
 
When I hear the word "racist" anymore, I just move on. It's the first indicator that the argument is over, and the user has nothing left in his bag.

Liberals LOVE to play the victims. They must teach the nuances of it in some households.
 
OscarB63 said:
why are short people more comfortable around other short people?
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Beats me. I wasn't aware that they were.

OscarB63 said:
it's not just race. people are more comfortable with what they know and what they are familiar with. again, going back to caveman analogy. different = unknown = possible danger

I have two adopted sons that are black. they have lived with white people since they were 3. they are more comfortable around white people. not because we have taught them to distrust blacks, but because they are more familiar with whites.
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So, in other words: growing up amongs white people, their minds have developed a positive association with respect to white people. I fail to see how forming negative associations is so different.

OscarB63 said:
and yet it always seems to be only the whites that ever get called racists for doing what we all do
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:shrug: The world is full of hypocrits and double standards. So cry me a river.
 
haymarket said:
I took the test. Here is what the results informed me

Your data suggest little to no difference in implicit preference between White People and Black People.
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That's unusual. If you don't mind, I'm curious what race you are.
 
joko104 said:
Its a junk test.

The first thing the ask to determine if you are are a racist is what state you live in and your party affiliation.

So the questionaire begins by asserting whether or not a person is a racist depends upon where you live and what political party you prefer and are you conservative or liberal.

At that point, it is a junk questionaire.
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I already explained this. Those questions have nothing to do with the test. The researchers are obviously just trying to collect some background information so they can check for possible correlations.


joko104 said:
I went on from there, but then decided "to hell with this" when it wanted you to look at people's faces only and declare whether the person is a "bad" person or a "good" person. I can't not imagine anyone but a PURE RACIST seeing that as a valid questionaire at all. How the hell do I know if a person is "bad" or "good?"
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I'm not sure which test you took. No test I provided a link for gave such instructions.


joko104 said:
Thanks for totally wasting my time.

DO NOT BOTHER WITH THAT "TEST" - it takes you thru piles of pages of crap, all beginning with whether you are a racist or not is based upon where you live, whether you are conservative or liberal, and what political party you prefer. THAT is "Harvards" basis to determine who is and isn't a racist.

BUT who is the racist is whoever created the "questionaire" - declaring a person can decide who is bad and who is good by looking at the person's face. What a bunch of crap!
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I agree with Joko. If you are unable to read and follow simple instructions, then don't take the test. It's a waste of your time.
 
OscarB63 said:
yeah. what relevance does where you live have on whether or not you are a racist? other than to feed into their preconceived stereotypes of who is or is not racist. an interesting experiment (but not interesting enough for me to spend the time wading through all that crap twice) would be to take the survey twice and answer the first part differently each time (conservative southerner once and liberal northerner once) then make all the other choices the same and see if you get the same results or if the "demographics" questions influence how racist they think you are
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Yes. I'm sure the researchers are skewing the results based on whether you are a "conservative southerner". But you don't have to worry, Oscar. Just make sure you let them know you have two adopted black kids and I'm sure they'll score you as "no implicit racism".
 
the_recruit said:
I already explained this. Those questions have nothing to do with the test. The researchers are obviously just trying to collect some background information so they can check for possible correlations.

I'm not sure which test you took. No test I provided a link for gave such instructions.

I agree with Joko. If you are unable to read and follow simple instructions, then don't take the test. It's a waste of your time.
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The test specifically asks political affiliation, your age, zip code and race.

It then asks you do identify people by race by pictures of their face. That, of course, is a false measure of "race." So it is an ignorant test per se. It said I got some of those wrong, that I was not accurately identifying who is "black" and who is "white." I did not grow up with white, black, hispanic or asian people and as an adult I was around very mixed-race people - mostly black and white blue collar. To the extend a person's racial heritage can be known by face, it is not in the darkness shade of their face - though Harvard zippy pinheads might see it that way. It more has to do with facial bone structure, something Harvard apparently does not recognize.

Since the measuring method was sooooo superficially obvious in grotesque collective stereotyping, I was curious what it say given how most of my answers screamed "liberal" and therefore NOT racist - but southern and some "conservative" and "white-like" responses - with the real complexity that I wasn't in the southern-white bigot categories racially - plus I could not accurately measure people's race by a small center square of the person's face.

It then sent me to the next test, for which I was to say whether a face was "bad" or "good." The "e" key for "bad" and "i" key for "good."

The test might have variables as I don't fall well into their stereotyping not being white, black or Latino and can't accurately identify race by face - maybe the program then required I do the bad-or-good person face test. If a person claims they can decide who is good or bad by their face - regardless of racial aspects - that person is per se prejudiced. Since I don't and can't judge people that way, I bailed out.

I can see how East Coast white liberal academics would see it as a cool test to prove white Southern Republicans are bigots. Its just crap and its core premises prove whoever created this test is/are a bigot and racist.
 
the_recruit said:
Yes. I'm sure the researchers are skewing the results based on whether you are a "conservative southerner". But you don't have to worry, Oscar. Just make sure you let them know you have two adopted black kids and I'm sure they'll score you as "no implicit racism".
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So says the white-guilter who is feeling the pain of African-Americans. :roll:
 
joko104 said:
The test specifically asks political affiliation, your age, zip code and race.
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Yes it does. And I've explained multiple times now why they do so.

joko104 said:
It then asks you do identify people by race by pictures of their face. That, of course, is a false measure of "race." So it is an ignorant test per se. It said I got some of those wrong, that I was not accurately identifying who is "black" and who is "white." I did not grow up with white, black, hispanic or asian people and as an adult I was around very mixed-race people - mostly black and white blue collar. To the extend a person's racial heritage can be known by face, it is not in the darkness shade of their face - though Harvard zippy pinheads might see it that way. It more has to do with facial bone structure, something Harvard apparently does not recognize.
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They let you decide. There's no right/wrong answer to that portion of the test. You get to classify the faces according to whatever features you want.

joko104 said:
Since the measuring method was sooooo superficially obvious in grotesque collective stereotyping, I was curious what it say given how most of my answers screamed "liberal" and therefore NOT racist - but southern and some "conservative" and "white-like" responses - with the real complexity that I wasn't in the southern-white bigot categories racially - plus I could not accurately measure people's race by a small center square of the person's face.
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That's like sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo not true.

joko104 said:
It then sent me to the next test, for which I was to say whether a face was "bad" or "good." The "e" key for "bad" and "i" key for "good."
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No it did not. You either didn't read or didn't understand the simple instructions.
 
joko104 said:
So says the white-guilter who is feeling the pain of African-Americans. :roll:
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White guilt? Hahahahaha.


I love it when strangers on the internet think they have me figured out, but fail miserably and are completely off the mark. It gives me a twisted sort of satisfaction. So, thank you, Joko.
 
the_recruit said:
Yes it does. And I've explained multiple times now why they do so.



They let you decide. There's no right/wrong answer to that portion of the test. You get to classify the faces according to whatever features you want.



That's like sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo not true.



No it did not. You either didn't read or didn't understand the simple instructions.
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That is 100% false. It exactly had that on the test. I got it right about you, regardless of what you may pretend to be otherwise.
 
joko104 said:
That is 100% false. It exactly had that on the test.
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No it did not. I will say it one more time. You misread the very simple instructions. I'm not sure why I'm even bothering here. I know you don't have the backbone to go re-take the test, realize you were wrong, and then come back and admit your error. You're just gonna keep swearing up and down that you didn't make mistake.

joko104 said:
I got it right about you, regardless of what you may pretend to be otherwise.
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:lamo Yes. You read me like a book (ie, not very well).
 
Preferring to be with your own kind is natural and not racist...blacks feel the same way...hispanics feel the same way...you can break that down by race or ethnicity and it will all be the same...people are more comfortable around their own and theres nothing wrong with that and it is not racist or bias.
To be racist you have to blatantly vocalize hatred or dislike for someone because of who or what they are...or outright discriminate against them against the law...but there is no moral or legal obligation to love someone else.
 
Didnt read the whole thread but a couple things

I majority of people are "prejudice" against race, ive seen nothing in my life time to suggest otherwise.

now with that being said prejudice is vastly different from racist, prejudice is typically easily over come with a conversation, working together, basic interaction etc etc.

Racism is substantially more concrete. Even after a conversation, working together etc that person still has a hatred for almost all people of that race or a great distrust or disgust.
 
lpast said:
Preferring to be with your own kind is natural and not racist...blacks feel the same way...hispanics feel the same way...you can break that down by race or ethnicity and it will all be the same...people are more comfortable around their own and theres nothing wrong with that and it is not racist or bias.
To be racist you have to blatantly vocalize hatred or dislike for someone because of who or what they are...or outright discriminate against them against the law...but there is no moral or legal obligation to love someone else.
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I disagree with your definitions and I suppose that is why so many who are racist can get away with claiming they aren't "racist" - because they feel that as long as they don't do stupid things like lynching an image of the President, or shout "Nigger!" when they drive by an African-American walking along or behave in any other such blatant fashion, that means they must not be racists - they just prefer being around their own "kind"

More and more of America's youth are rejecting that attitude - for many of them, their own "kind" simply means people of their own age with zero regard for colour or ethnicity.
 
There is no doubt that racism and prejudice exists in all ethnic groups in America, and this poll will be used for political and personal gains.

In my opinion, these tests and conclusions couldn't be more biased than I ever could have imagined. Many of the questions are constructed in such a way that it would be very easy for a person to give answers that supports the author's conclusion. I think most here would agree that many people do not have the best reading comprehension and some/most are terrible test takers. Then comes the interpretation of the answers. I guess they can really read our minds.

And implicit racism? Implied though not plainly expressed: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. Sounds a bit inflammatory, doesn't it?

Racism is ugly and so is anyone's conclusion based on their own (implicit or otherwise) motives and prejudices.
 
Somerville said:
I disagree with your definitions and I suppose that is why so many who are racist can get away with claiming they aren't "racist" - because they feel that as long as they don't do stupid things like lynching an image of the President, or shout "Nigger!" when they drive by an African-American walking along or behave in any other such blatant fashion, that means they must not be racists - they just prefer being around their own "kind"

More and more of America's youth are rejecting that attitude - for many of them, their own "kind" simply means people of their own age with zero regard for colour or ethnicity.
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You can disagree all you want...you expect far too much from other humans. You're the type that sees a racist under every rock and behind every tree. You nor anyone else can control what someone thinks or feels or even truly believes...we can only attempt to control how they use it.
 
Somerville said:
Ann Coulter was on the Bill Maher show recently and said “real racism,” for the most part, no longer exists in the United States.



Poll results

Academic analysis


So far comments I've read are saying this is nothing more than blatant propaganda on the part of the Obama campaign, an attempt to 'shame' ignorant white folks into voting for that black guy -- I so luvs me the True Believers :roll:
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As long as humans remain influenced to the voices of their primeval evolution there will always be racism to some extent, and this applies to all people not just whites.

Racism, or more accurately, the racist instinct, is a product of evolution wherein competing hominid species vied genocidally for control of natural resources until there was only one species left standing. Since evolution is a continuing process, this species eventually evolved, between and amongst themselves, very obvious physical distinctions, as well as cultural distinctions and varying concentrations of favorable talents, while adapting to the natural environment into which they settled. In the fullness of time, these distinctions served to evoke the heretofore genetically engrained primal instinct regarding "fear of the other" which had evolved as a survival mechanism during the primeval period of genocidal competition between hominid species. This racist instinct haunts us to this very day, and will continue to haunt us for as long as we are human. It is best to recognize this instinct for what it is and not exploit it as a political tool on either end of a political continuum. After all, such exploitation is, in itself, just another expression of this primal instinct.
 
lpast said:
You can disagree all you want...you expect far too much from other humans. You're the type that sees a racist under every rock and behind every tree. You nor anyone else can control what someone thinks or feels or even truly believes...we can only attempt to control how they use it.
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Wrong, wrong wrong!!11!!1!

that type of a statement, "You're the type that sees a racist under every rock" is exactly the type of thinking a true non-racist objects to - for it is the same as saying "Every black man is a thug and gang-banger" or "Every Muslim hates Americans" or "Every Catholic priest is a pedophile"

I'm not always correct but I do make the effort to judge others as individuals, not by the colour of their skin or their religious beliefs or their place of origin, but by the words they say, the actions they promote or take. It seems that far too many find it easier to simply make all-encompassing decisions on the most overt signs of difference that others exhibit.
 
Somerville said:
Ann Coulter was on the Bill Maher show recently and said “real racism,” for the most part, no longer exists in the United States.
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She's right. We love the blacks, Jews, and Muslims as much as we do our own brothers and sisters.
 
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