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    Re: AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    oh yeah, it's a global conspiracy by all the various country's media to promote racism against blacks
    Eyeroll indeed. That IS a very silly idea.

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    Re: AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Well, that association is only a single component of many things that ultimately influence what seat "feels" better overall. I agree that most people probably feel more comfortable around members of their own race. But that just further supports the idea that people have racial preferences.
    and that is my point. i think it is more that people have racial preferences for those who are like themselves rather than having a negative attitude for any particular different race.

    I happen to prefer strawberry ice cream over chocolate....that doesn't mean I am prejudiced against chocolate
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    Re: AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    what it shows is a mental association. your brain, and mine, are apparently wired such that we tend to associate "african-american" faces with "bad" stuff and "european-american" faces with "good" stuff.

    How much those associations, if at all, affect our decisions is unknown.
    Actually, according to the test, I'm wired the other way around.

    I think this is because I happened to be faster on some parts than others. I don't think its significant.
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    Re: AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and that is my point. i think it is more that people have racial preferences for those who are like themselves rather than having a negative attitude for any particular different race.
    First of all, why? What, do you think, causes people to prefer their own race?

    Second of all, I think there are lots of factors that contribute to how we feel about different races overall. The negative associations of the test I posted are just one component. And that's only the sub-conscious part. When we start to factor in our conscious beliefs it all gets way more complicated.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I happen to prefer strawberry ice cream over chocolate....that doesn't mean I am prejudiced against chocolate
    No, it just means you have bad taste in ice cream. Mint chocolate chip is the Master Flavor!

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    Re: AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Eyeroll indeed. That IS a very silly idea.
    so can you then explain why people in countries like iraq who have never been exposed to western media have more negative attitude towards blacks than whites? their media portrays all westerners as infidels.

    I visited a small village in Iraq where the people had no access to any media from the outside world at all, they didn't even have electricity or running water and most, if not all, of them were illiterate. and the village elder refused to speak with my XO and would only speak with me (even though the XO was a Major and I was a Captain) when I asked why, the translator told me that the elder didn't trust black people and he had never met a white or black person ever. so where did his distrust come from?

    is it an evolutionary hold over from the caveman days when it was more dangerous at night in the dark than it was during the day in the light?

    could it be as simple as that? dark is associated with night and danger and therefore people with dark skin are associated with that primitive fear of the dark?
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    Re: AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    Actually, according to the test, I'm wired the other way around.

    I think this is because I happened to be faster on some parts than others. I don't think its significant.
    Wait. So what did it say your results were at the end?


    If it says you showed preference for Europeans, that means you were faster at putting "good" things and "european" faces in the same column than putting "good" things and "african" faces in the same column.

    If you were the opposite, than that is very unusual and indicates you have a negative association towards whites. Basically, you hate crackers!

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    Re: AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks

    the school I did my graduate work at had "black fraternities". something I had not seen at Yale. They would always self segregate in the dining halls. I coached a varsity sport and asked some of my athletes what was up. I had Asian, hispanic, Jewish-American, Canadian and white kids on my team. All of them said that the blacks at this school tended to do that. I never understood that. In grad and law school race was not an issue. We didn't have that many black students or Asian students but they didn't isolate themselves. But apparently in the undergraduate departments there was a black created apartheid.

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    Re: AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Ann Coulter was on the Bill Maher show recently and said “real racism,” for the most part, no longer exists in the United States.



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    So far comments I've read are saying this is nothing more than blatant propaganda on the part of the Obama campaign, an attempt to 'shame' ignorant white folks into voting for that black guy -- I so luvs me the True Believers
    Oh, I see, so if we don't re-elect Obama...we're racist.

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    Re: AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I wish that were true, but I think that a pretty solid majority of our population is racist, to some degree. I don't think that necessarily means that they consciously dislike a certain race and/or consciously believe themselves to be superior. With many people, it's much more subtle than that and they don't even realize they're doing it. For example, if someone acts/speaks differently around a black colleague than around a white colleague because they've subconsciously made some assumptions about the person based on their race, that's still racism...even if they don't mean to do it.

    I don't think this kind of racism is necessarily even a character flaw. It's just a human foible, that people should be aware of so that they can correct it when they catch themselves doing it.
    Obviously you don't even know what racism is.

    There are other concepts you're tossing around - like being prejudiced . . . but the concept of making generalizations using race as a 'starting point' isn't bad unless you're closed-minded or overtly negative and refuse to change your generalization even AFTER presented with disproving facts and evidence.

    In a few of my business courses we've done nothing but spend time learning about business-conduct in other cultures via generalizations and conclusions. It's not racism to do so - lest everyone in the entire world is racist (by your definition - we ALL are). The key is to keep an open mind. "this is a general guideline based on what most people experience" - it is not the same as "they're all like this - so stupid."

    Does that make sense?

    Just because someone uses race as a component of identification or in an effort to understand someone's lifestyle or culture doesn't mean they're doing it negatively and with viciousness. . . or that it's something to be avoided.

    Race is synonymous with culture to most people - and so I think that's where many people get confused on it all. Which is understandable. It's complicated, the way we apply these concepts in the US.

    Now - what's with this:
    For example, if someone acts/speaks differently around a black colleague than around a white colleague because they've subconsciously made some assumptions about the person based on their race, that's still racism...even if they don't mean to do it.
    Maybe - just maybe - did you ever consider that said individual is possibly trying to fit together better in a group or with another person? If someone hangs out with me and starts talking (I don't know what my accent is) - but like me . . . why is that a race-thing. Maybe it's a cultural response? Maybe it's a mental safety-response in which they're trying not to feel so 'different' than who they're with.

    Why - if someone does that - do you think it's race related or a bad thing?

    Maybe it helps both people feel like they have more in common?

    I fail to see how it's something to take note of - or - that it's bad. Especially since accents aren't race-related. Spite what some people think (apparently) - all 'blacks' don't talk the same and neither do all 'whites' - your accent or dialect is cultural and regional. Not race related. You are exposed to it in childhood and take it on through that exposure. You're not born with it. Don't be ignorant on this topic.

    Accents/dialect is like jargon and lingo - you pick it up if needed to blend in better. . . nothing more. If you go to a business meeting you're not going to use your casual-tone and words, are you? No difference.

    Maybe you need to spend some real time around a ****ty racist prick in order to see the strong difference. It seems that we've done such a solid job of wiping out strong sentiments of racism that people don't even know what it is. I know - because my grandfather was as openly racist as you could get and I had to tolerate that ****er's mouth for years when I was a kid.

    Trust me - the last thing racist people want to do is somehow sound like, look like, or act like their 'hated racial group' - so no, they won't be 'talking black' if they're near a black colleague in some form of imitation (I swear - what a silly concept - have you really put a lot of thought into that one?)
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    Re: AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    First of all, why? What, do you think, causes people to prefer their own race?
    why are short people more comfortable around other short people? it's not just race. people are more comfortable with what they know and what they are familiar with. again, going back to caveman analogy. different = unknown = possible danger

    I have two adopted sons that are black. they have lived with white people since they were 3. they are more comfortable around white people. not because we have taught them to distrust blacks, but because they are more familiar with whites.[/quote]

    Second of all, I think there are lots of factors that contribute to how we feel about different races overall. The negative associations of the test I posted are just one component. And that's only the sub-conscious part. When we start to factor in our conscious beliefs it all gets way more complicated.
    and yet it always seems to be only the whites that ever get called racists for doing what we all do
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