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    Re: AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This is probably true. That doesn't mean that we should simply ignore irrational prejudice and allow it to fester unchecked.
    agreed, as long as we are talking about ALL irrational prejudice and not just that against one particular group


    Although there are still plenty of ways that racism is de facto institutionalized...the way we assign students to schools, the attitude of the criminal justice system towards minorities, etc.
    we assign students to schools based on the district where they live. nobody, at least in my area, gets bussed anymore. as for the criminal justice systems attitude towards minorities....maybe to some degree but not enough to account for the massive over-representation of minorities among the criminal population. when ~6% of the population accounts for 40% of the prison population, you can't blame that solely on "racism"
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    Re: AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    agreed, as long as we are talking about ALL irrational prejudice and not just that against one particular group




    we assign students to schools based on the district where they live. nobody, at least in my area, gets bussed anymore. as for the criminal justice systems attitude towards minorities....maybe to some degree but not enough to account for the massive over-representation of minorities among the criminal population. when ~6% of the population accounts for 40% of the prison population, you can't blame that solely on "racism"
    I was listening to a black radio station that was talking about this and one conservative black noted that when 95% of the blacks vote for a guy who constantly calls for tax hikes on successful people and promises more handouts that creates a legitimate distaste for "our race"

    and yes the crime issue has also caused resentment as well. More than a few liberal college kids I knew when I was a city prosecutor sounded like Klanners after they had been mugged, assaulted etc by black youths

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    Re: AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    what is odd about that is that it is not just white people who have that mental association. why is it that almost every other group on the planet has members that are prejudiced against african americans? hell....there are even african africans who are prejudiced against african americans and they are the ones who sold them into slavery in the first place.
    Well I think the argument is that the negative association is somehow fed to us through society - movies, tv, news etc.

    It's more or less Pavlov's dog. Let's suppose a buddy of yours plays a little jingle and then socks you in the arm. If he does that again and again, over time your brain starts to associate that jingle with getting punched. So as soon as you hear that jingle your brain reacts by making you feel fear, you jump up, look around for you a-hole buddy because you feel like he's gonna punch in the arm. Even if he's not around, your brain still has that association and you're gonna feel uneasy whenever you hear that jingle.

    In the same way, if I show you a picture of a black person and then show you an image of something bad like violence or theft or something, your brain is gonna start to form an association. Eventually, just like with the jingle, every time you seen the image of black person there's some part of your brain that's immediately going to react by thinking of the negative things that your brain has learned to associate with "african-american".

    So if white people are getting that association from the media - movies, tv, news etc - then it's possible that blacks are also getting that same association from the media just like white people are.

    Now, the important question is how much that association affects our decisions. That's hard to figure out. I doubt it plays a very big role to be honest. A good possible example I can think of where it might be shown to have an influence is suppose you get on the subway and there are only two seats open - one next to a white person and one next to a black person. Without giving it much thought you sit down next to the white person. Afterwards if I ask you why you sat down next to Steve and not Jamarcus (hey, come on now, it's my story I can pick whatever names I want ), you'll probably just say "i dunno I just felt like that seat was better". Part of the reason that seat "felt" better could be that when you looked at the black guy, that little part of your brain went "no! black guy = bad" and that influenced which seat "felt" better to you.

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    Re: AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I was listening to a black radio station that was talking about this and one conservative black noted that when 95% of the blacks vote for a guy who constantly calls for tax hikes on successful people and promises more handouts that creates a legitimate distaste for "our race"

    and yes the crime issue has also caused resentment as well. More than a few liberal college kids I knew when I was a city prosecutor sounded like Klanners after they had been mugged, assaulted etc by black youths

    as I said in the other thread. I have been all around the world during my military career. I have met iraqis, iranians, pakistanis, indians, kuwaitis, chinese, japanese, koreans, vietnamese, mexicans, peruvians, hondurans, canadians, germans, russians, italians, bosnians, scots, eqyptians and even africans that are "prejudiced" against "african americans". if lots of people don't like you....maybe the problem is you and not all of them
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    Re: AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Well I think the argument is that the negative association is somehow fed to us through society - movies, tv, news etc..
    that doesn't explain why people in foreign countries that are not "exposed" to our society seem to have the same negative associations
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    Re: AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    that doesn't explain why people in foreign countries that are not "exposed" to our society seem to have the same negative associations
    Maybe they're getting it through their media as well.

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    Re: AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    as I said in the other thread. I have been all around the world during my military career. I have met iraqis, iranians, pakistanis, indians, kuwaitis, chinese, japanese, koreans, vietnamese, mexicans, peruvians, hondurans, canadians, germans, russians, italians, bosnians, scots, eqyptians and even africans that are "prejudiced" against "african americans". if lots of people don't like you....maybe the problem is you and not all of them
    well when I was law student one of my better friends was a guy from Ghana who was a post doctoral fellow. he used to laugh at American blacks who pretended to be "Africans" especially those who had adopted African sounding names. Indeed he saw some speaker who was whining about "colonialism" having the first name of one tribal group and the last name of another noting that in west africa those two groups had been warring for decades. He noted it would be the same as someone in the Middle East going by Abdullah Goldstein

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    Re: AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    A good possible example I can think of where it might be shown to have an influence is suppose you get on the subway and there are only two seats open - one next to a white person and one next to a black person. Without giving it much thought you sit down next to the white person. Afterwards if I ask you why you sat down next to Steve and not Jamarcus (hey, come on now, it's my story I can pick whatever names I want ), you'll probably just say "i dunno I just felt like that seat was better". Part of the reason that seat "felt" better could be that when you looked at the black guy, that little part of your brain went "no! black guy = bad" and that influenced which seat "felt" better to you.
    or maybe it is just because people (regardless of race) are more comfortable around other people who look like them. same subway, same two seats....who do you think a black person is going to sit by?

    who is the asian lady going to sit by? Chance or Chun Li?

    who is the mexican dude going to sit by? Leroy or Juan?

    for that matter....who is a lady going to sit by? Max or Marilyn?
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    Re: AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Maybe they're getting it through their media as well.
    oh yeah, it's a global conspiracy by all the various country's media to promote racism against blacks
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    Re: AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    or maybe it is just because people (regardless of race) are more comfortable around other people who look like them. same subway, same two seats....who do you think a black person is going to sit by?

    who is the asian lady going to sit by? Chance or Chun Li?

    who is the mexican dude going to sit by? Leroy or Juan?

    for that matter....who is a lady going to sit by? Max or Marilyn?
    Well, that association is only a single component of many things that ultimately influence what seat "feels" better overall. I agree that most people probably feel more comfortable around members of their own race. But that just further supports the idea that people have racial preferences.

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