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'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

Erod said:
Thousands of storms have torn up stuff in America, left power outages, caused fuel shortages, and left people stranded. This is a VERY common occurrence. Those in the northeast barely notice until it happens to them. It's the Yankees-Red Sox-ESPN effect playing out in real life.

This is a bad situation for the folks in New Jersey, but not one that is any worse than the fires in southern California, tornado outbreaks through the central U.S., mulitiple hurricanes in the Gulf, tsunamis in Japan or Indonesia, earthquakes and volcanoes all around the world, etc, etc, etc.
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Mindboggling and senseLess conflation showing truly No understanding of anything. The ultimate in Sick political and regional resentment.

California Wildfires and the Tsunami that killed more than a quarter million in the same sentence as comparable to each other and the present storm?
Why not the Comet Impact on Jupiter and a 2 car accident?

This storm was an amazing and near unique Weather phenomenon because of it's Huge size.. AND.. just happened to be over the most densely populated part of our country.
Get it? No you don't want to. 'California Wildfires' are not even Close to this event.

Your posts REEK of the Spiro Agnew type Irrational resentment of 'Eastern Elites'. They are both Ignorant (in the extreme) and transparently political foolishness.
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mbig said:
Mindboggling and senseLess conflation showing truly No understanding of anything. The ultimate in Sick political and regional resentment.

California Wildfires and the Tsunami that killed more than a quarter million in the same sentence as comparable to each other and the present storm?
Why not the Comet Impact on Jupiter and a 2 car accident?

This storm was an amazing and near unique Weather phenomenon because of it's Huge size.. AND.. just happened to be over the most densely populated part of our country.
Get it? No you don't want to. 'California Wildfires' are not even Close to this event.

Your posts REEK of the Spiro Agnew type Irrational resentment of 'Eastern Elites'. They are both Ignorant (in the extreme) and transparently political foolishness.
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Amidst all the twisted vocabulary gymnastics of that almost complete thought......you missed the point apparently.

This is a big deal. A really big deal. But no bigger deal than multiple events of the past and future. Northeasterners are famous for making everything a bigger deal SOLELY because it happened to them.

We'll work through this very messy situation like we did Camille, Hugo, Katrina, Andrew, Isaac, and countless other hurricanes.

But no, soon it will be an apocalyptic event purely the result of global warming and Cadillac Escolades that needs infinite funding, study, and support groups, with a star-studded gala in one year to commemorate it all over a year from now. Never mind that the same thing before and will again sooner or later.
 
My ONLY issue is lack of preperation. The fact that these areas cannot handle a level 1 hurricane is ridiculous. An area on the Atlantic coast should be better prepared for such incidents. I am not saying that this was a tradgedy. It was sad. It was a joke. There isn't much that CAN be done when a large hurricane hits. But there are SOME things that can be done. I live in Florida. I understand. You gotta do more for preperation. A level 1 shouldn't be a big deal.

Like Katrina...it was an area that should have had better preperation that didn't. Should expect a large storm and doesn't. I know quite well that Florida will be hit again. I won't buy land on a Florida beach knowing that.
 
stonewall50 said:
My ONLY issue is lack of preperation. The fact that these areas cannot handle a level 1 hurricane is ridiculous. An area on the Atlantic coast should be better prepared for such incidents. I am not saying that this was a tradgedy. It was sad. It was a joke. There isn't much that CAN be done when a large hurricane hits. But there are SOME things that can be done. I live in Florida. I understand. You gotta do more for preperation. A level 1 shouldn't be a big deal.

Like Katrina...it was an area that should have had better preperation that didn't. Should expect a large storm and doesn't. I know quite well that Florida will be hit again. I won't buy land on a Florida beach knowing that.
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There's no way to be totally prepared.

There was nothing that would have prevented the damage that Katrina caused, because of the position of the storm.
 
Erod said:
Amidst all the twisted vocabulary gymnastics of that almost complete thought......you missed the point apparently.

This is a big deal. A really big deal. But no bigger deal than multiple events of the past and future. Northeasterners are famous for making everything a bigger deal SOLELY because it happened to them.

We'll work through this very messy situation like we did Camille, Hugo, Katrina, Andrew, Isaac, and countless other hurricanes.

But no, soon it will be an apocalyptic event purely the result of global warming and Cadillac Escolades that needs infinite funding, study, and support groups, with a star-studded gala in one year to commemorate it all over a year from now. Never mind that the same thing before and will again sooner or later.
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I'd like to hear some examples of that. You guys are unbelievable. :roll:
 
mbig said:
Mindboggling and senseLess conflation showing truly No understanding of anything. The ultimate in Sick political and regional resentment.

California Wildfires and the Tsunami that killed more than a quarter million in the same sentence as comparable to each other and the present storm?
Why not the Comet Impact on Jupiter and a 2 car accident?

This storm was an amazing and near unique Weather phenomenon because of it's Huge size.. AND.. just happened to be over the most densely populated part of our country.
Get it? No you don't want to. 'California Wildfires' are not even Close to this event.

Your posts REEK of the Spiro Agnew type Irrational resentment of 'Eastern Elites'. They are both Ignorant (in the extreme) and transparently political foolishness.
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You sound like a nattering nabob of negativity.
 
ChrisL said:
I'd like to hear some examples of that. You guys are unbelievable. :roll:
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I can list a great deal of examples, all of which made NATIONAL news, whilst other states, with the same stories, don't even get a spot above the fold...on their own news paper. But I'm short on time, and don't feel like googling them up.

So, I'll end MY argument on the matter by asking a simple question...of all the NATIONAL news stories to see or hear, how many of them involve relatively unimportant news, made important because it happened...in the north east? You know, things like a soft drink ban, or snow storms (because, CLEARLY, NY is the ONLY state ever to have really bad snow storms), etc.

In short, I am sick and tired of watching the news, or the weather, living in CT, and having absolutely everything I see blown so far out of proportion that I can't even begin to call it truth anymore.

FACT.

It was a category ONE hurricane.
 
KevinKohler said:
I can list a great deal of examples, all of which made NATIONAL news, whilst other states, with the same stories, don't even get a spot above the fold...on their own news paper. But I'm short on time, and don't feel like googling them up.

So, I'll end MY argument on the matter by asking a simple question...of all the NATIONAL news stories to see or hear, how many of them involve relatively unimportant news, made important because it happened...in the north east? You know, things like a soft drink ban, or snow storms (because, CLEARLY, NY is the ONLY state ever to have really bad snow storms), etc.
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This involved MANY states. Not just NY. I didn't realize you hated the Northeast so much. You are so totally wrong too. Katrina and ALL major storms are on the news for days. I don't know WHAT the heck you're talking about, but I see them on the news all the time from all around the country.

In short, I am sick and tired of watching the news, or the weather, living in CT, and having absolutely everything I see blown so far out of proportion that I can't even begin to call it truth anymore.
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Oh, well boo-hoo. Stop watching then.

FACT.

It was a category ONE hurricane.
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That's besides the point. There were huge surfs which were very damaging to the coast with lots of flooding for a long way inland, into small coastal towns, pushing cars and boats into homes, etc. Not to mention the deaths and costly damages. It's really NOT hard to understand. Go pout somewhere else.
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For those who don't know it, the Civil War is still being fought by many of our fellow countrymen. They think the south shall rise again and all that horse****.
 
apdst said:
There's no way to be totally prepared.

There was nothing that would have prevented the damage that Katrina caused, because of the position of the storm.
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You can be as prepared as possible. Evacuation routes. Of course the city government was pilfering off money left and right. So there was no chance a quality levee that had half a prayer would EVER be built on that alone. Not to mention the 1977 Environmental lawsuit preventing construction of levees. New Orleans was a cesspool of corrupt government, and LA state government prevented aid from being passed out to the super dome (pre levee break).

Basically the moral of the story is...have a plan. Evacuations and have PROPER building codes that take into account...hurricane force winds for coastal areas. Houses alone coastal areas prone to storm surge should build first floor homes elevated ABOVE the storm surge heights. I mean building codes are GREAT things. Not to mention proper drainage.

I understand that at the TIME of Katrina's known position and damage potential nothing could be done, but that isn't really the issue I am addressing. It is that not enough is done in prevention of such storms. Hurricane Charley struck Florida and hade winds up to 147mph. It was fast moving and it DID do a lot of damage. But thanks to proper building codes and luck...it was not that devastating.
 
KevinKohler said:
I can list a great deal of examples, all of which made NATIONAL news, whilst other states, with the same stories, don't even get a spot above the fold...on their own news paper. But I'm short on time, and don't feel like googling them up.

So, I'll end MY argument on the matter by asking a simple question...of all the NATIONAL news stories to see or hear, how many of them involve relatively unimportant news, made important because it happened...in the north east? You know, things like a soft drink ban, or snow storms (because, CLEARLY, NY is the ONLY state ever to have really bad snow storms), etc.

In short, I am sick and tired of watching the news, or the weather, living in CT, and having absolutely everything I see blown so far out of proportion that I can't even begin to call it truth anymore.

FACT.

It was a category ONE hurricane.
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It caused a lot of damage because they were NOT prepared. I live in Florida. We have had 18 hurricane seasons since 1850s that we did not get hit at least 1 time. We are ready. That is why it is news up there. They weren't ready. I get what you are saying. But you have to deal with that. This isn't the issue that gets blown out of proportion.
 
Uzidoesit said:
For those who don't know it, the Civil War is still being fought by many of our fellow countrymen. They think the south shall rise again and all that horse****.
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EASY Jersey. We Southern folk get a little uneasy wen yankees start shooting off their mouths about the Civil War. We know what follows is usually a whole heaping bunch of nonsense that they learned in third grade.

Fact is that he IS right that things get blown out of proportion up there. All I get to hear is what is goin on up in North East when I turn on the news. I live in Florida. It is even worse here cause we get all your near dead. This is NOT an issue of that though. That was a big storm and a FREAK storm.

MY issue was with the poor preperation. How does an Atlantic Coastal state not know it can be hit by such large storms? Speaking of history:

List of New York hurricanes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I mean it was a Cat 1 and it is creating damage like a cat 3 or 4.
 
stonewall50 said:
EASY Jersey. We Southern folk get a little uneasy wen yankees start shooting off their mouths about the Civil War. We know what follows is usually a whole heaping bunch of nonsense that they learned in third grade.

Fact is that he IS right that things get blown out of proportion up there. All I get to hear is what is goin on up in North East when I turn on the news. I live in Florida. It is even worse here cause we get all your near dead. This is NOT an issue of that though. That was a big storm and a FREAK storm.

MY issue was with the poor preperation. How does an Atlantic Coastal state not know it can be hit by such large storms? Speaking of history:

List of New York hurricanes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I mean it was a Cat 1 and it is creating damage like a cat 3 or 4.
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There is no reasoning with people like you.
 
Uzidoesit said:
There is no reasoning with people like you.
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Seriously though...

What do you mean "people like me?"

I am Southern. Do you take issue with that? Or that I happen to see someone else's point? Or that my statement: The North Eastern states should have been better prepared is somehow an unreasonable claim for an Atlantic Coastal states?

Perhaps you think I am saying that this storm was "no big deal." Well had it hit Florida? No. A cat 1 is not a "major news event" in Florida really. I mean sure...it sucks...and we will suffer damage, but most Floridians won't lose their minds over that kind of event. Mainly because we have building codes that prepare for such things. Storm surge is also a big deal here and we have coastal building regulations for storm surge too. Fact is...areas that are at risk don't build like they are. If you are in a COASTAL STATE you WILL be hit by a hurricane. Florida is going to have another major hurricane. It won't be a long time from now. But we will get one. It will test our evacuation plans and hurricane shelters out. Hopefully we are as prepared as possible.
 
stonewall50 said:
It caused a lot of damage because they were NOT prepared. I live in Florida. We have had 18 hurricane seasons since 1850s that we did not get hit at least 1 time. We are ready. That is why it is news up there. They weren't ready. I get what you are saying. But you have to deal with that. This isn't the issue that gets blown out of proportion.
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You keep talking about being "prepared." What exactly would you want the Northeast to do in order to be prepared? Got suggestions?

This is kind of annoying to me. We already had evacuation procedures in place and shelters set up. What else would you expect?

Another thing to keep in mind is that the east coast is loaded with historical sites and communities.
 
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Although Sandy was a Category 1 storm at landfall--the technical issue as to whether it was a hurricane or powerful post-tropical cyclone will be resolved in the year-end assessment--does not mean that it was a trivial event. First, the northern Mid-Atlantic's/southern New England's geography tends to enhance the storm surge. Second, Sandy was one of the larger Atlantic hurricanes on record, and that allowed it to pile much more water against the coastline than would occur in a smaller storm, even if that storm were a Category 2 or 3 hurricane. Third, the storm surge coincided with a full moon, which further enhanced the magnitude of the storm tide.

To illustrate the impact of the storm surge/waves, here's how Sandy (just prior to landfall) compared with recent landfalling hurricanes on the Hurricane Research Division's surge/waves product (6.0 = highest rating):

2008:
Dolly (Category 1): 2.1 out of 6.0
Gustav (Category 2): 3.2 out of 6.0
Ike (Category 2): 4.2 out of 6.0

2009 and 2010: No U.S. landfalls

2011:
Irene (Category 1): 4.4 out of 6.0 at NC; 3.0/6.0 at NY as a tropical storm

2012:
Isaac (Category 1): 3.5 out of 6.0
Sandy (Category 1): 5.3 out of 6.0

In terms of news coverage, the reality is that Sandy impacted a highly-populated region. As a result, its human impact was much greater than if it had come ashore in a sparsely populated area. That its resulted in the closing of major traffic arteries and a portion of NYC's subway system has impacted millions of people.

Finally, for those who are interested, below are some photos from my area:

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ChrisL said:
You keep talking about being "prepared." What exactly would you want the Northeast to do in order to be prepared? Got suggestions?

This is kind of annoying to me. We already had evacuation procedures in place and shelters set up. What else would you expect?

Another thing to keep in mind is that the east coast is loaded with historical sites and communities.
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There are several levels of preparation, The local and state government can require special coastal building codes for structures in areas at risk for storm surge.
They can also require flood insurance (if they do not already).
Vital services, plan for the worst case, strong buildings and above ground mounted generators(and switching)
On an individual level, most already or should have a blizzard kit, add to it enough supplies for 10 days.
They said this storm was coming for several days, if you live in a storm surge area, pack up and leave.
if you decide to stay, read some of the horror stories from Katrina and Ike, put a small hatchet in your attic.
If you just have wind to worry about, fill up all of your gas tanks and containers, test your generator, secure loose items in the yard.
Top off your propane tank, if you plan on cooking with you grill.
 
longview said:
There are several levels of preparation, The local and state government can require special coastal building codes for structures in areas at risk for storm surge.
They can also require flood insurance (if they do not already).
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I can't comment on this as I don't live on the coast, but I would imagine that if you are living on the coast that these things only make sense. I will try to look it up later though and see what the codes are and what kind of insurance coverage is required for those living close to the coast.

Vital services, plan for the worst case, strong buildings and above ground mounted generators(and switching)
On an individual level, most already or should have a blizzard kit, add to it enough supplies for 10 days.
They said this storm was coming for several days, if you live in a storm surge area, pack up and leave.
if you decide to stay, read some of the horror stories from Katrina and Ike, put a small hatchet in your attic.
If you just have wind to worry about, fill up all of your gas tanks and containers, test your generator, secure loose items in the yard.
Top off your propane tank, if you plan on cooking with you grill.
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I think this is great advice.

You have to keep in mind though that a lot of the buildings and homes on the coast are historical sites, and a lot of the smaller coastal towns have strict zoning laws in order to remain historically accurate. This is all a part of the tourism industry which draws in lots of people and money.
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ChrisL said:
longview said:
I can't comment on this as I don't live on the coast, but I would imagine that if you are living on the coast that these things only make sense. I will try to look it up later though and see what the codes are and what kind of insurance coverage is required for those living close to the coast.



I think this is great advice.

You have to keep in mind though that a lot of the buildings and homes on the coast are historical sites, and a lot of the smaller coastal towns have strict zoning laws in order to remain historically accurate. This is all a part of the tourism industry which draws in lots of people and money.
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For the most part the Historical buildings should be fine, if they have been around for 100+years, it's not their first dance.
Also they seemed to put a little more thought into site planning in the 18th and 19th century.
If they did not plan the site well, the building would not still be standing.
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longview said:
It is not that I am trying to downplay Sandy, it was a very bad storm, but look at some of the pictures from Ike.
Hurricane 'Ike' in Never Before Seen Photos
Hurricane Ike Before and After Pictures
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Yes, those are terrible pictures and certainly show that it was a terrible storm, but when you come to this thread and post those, you ARE comparing and downplaying. Hurricane Ike is over. This is about Hurricane Sandy and the damages from this storm. No one here is saying that this was the worst storm, but that doesn't change the fact that there are some people in the East coast who need help now.
 
ChrisL said:
Yes, those are terrible pictures and certainly show that it was a terrible storm, but when you come to this thread and post those, you ARE comparing and downplaying. Hurricane Ike is over. This is about Hurricane Sandy and the damages from this storm. No one here is saying that this was the worst storm, but that doesn't change the fact that there are some people in the East coast who need help now.
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I apologize, our line crews arrived in area last night, I understand my county sent 30 trucks and about 70 workers, to help the recovery.
 
ChrisL said:
That's besides the point. There were huge surfs which were very damaging to the coast with lots of flooding for a long way inland, into small coastal towns, pushing cars and boats into homes, etc. Not to mention the deaths and costly damages. It's really NOT hard to understand. Go pout somewhere else.
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Yep, that's what hurricanes do. Pretty much all of them. Every time, everywhere.

Liberals, especially New York liberals, seem to think that history started the day they were born, and that the world begins and ends with what happens to them. They are always the stars of their own reality TV show. Drama runs thick with them.

This was a big flood from a category one hurricane. The waters must recede, and power must be restored. They will and it will.

Like all natural disasters, it's bad. REALLY bad. And those folks are suffering and need help. Let's get them the help they need, and get their lives back to normal as quickly as possible.

But let's not act like this is any different than what victims of hurricanes deal with all the time. The fact that the other victims aren't northeasterners doesn't make their suffering any less real or important.
 
Erod said:
Yep, that's what hurricanes do. Pretty much all of them. Every time, everywhere.

Liberals, especially New York liberals, seem to think that history started the day they were born, and that the world begins and ends with what happens to them. They are always the stars of their own reality TV show. Drama runs thick with them.

This was a big flood from a category one hurricane. The waters must recede, and power must be restored. They will and it will.

Like all natural disasters, it's bad. REALLY bad. And those folks are suffering and need help. Let's get them the help they need, and get their lives back to normal as quickly as possible.

But let's not act like this is any different than what victims of hurricanes deal with all the time. The fact that the other victims aren't northeasterners doesn't make their suffering any less real or important.
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NOBODY is acting like that. I don't know what YOUR problem is, but you apparently have a big one.
 
ChrisL said:
NOBODY is acting like that. I don't know what YOUR problem is, but you apparently have a big one.
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Sure they are. This will pass soon. We'll get the help these folks need and rebuild their properties and lives.

Of course, it could be quicker, but the non-union workers aren't being allowed to help. That's blue-state mentality in its classic form.
 
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