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'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

The company I work for already has roughly 10% of our Massachusetts customer base in the dark. Rhode Island is worse. This isn't Katrina by any stretch of the imagination, but it's a bad storm.
 
Oh for ****'s sake...if you don't die or damn near come close the storm is "nothing" and everybody who heeds warnings are ******s????

Get real. Just because you get lucky doesn't mean many MANY others are getting hammered and in grave danger.
 
Uzidoesit said:
Yeah, true, true...it's not the size of the penis, it's the force behind it. I went out on a limb and I said it.
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and I'm going to go out on a limb and tell you to grow up. It's not the catastrophic disaster it's being made out to be. I've dealt with hurricanes all my life, and it's the wind force that does the damage. Sandy is Cat 1, with about 90 mph winds. That's about enough to chap exposed skin and scatter loose debris all over the place.
 
Con Ed starts shutting power to Lower Manhattan.
 
Surtr said:
and I'm going to go out on a limb and tell you to grow up. It's not the catastrophic disaster it's being made out to be. I've dealt with hurricanes all my life, and it's the wind force that does the damage. Sandy is Cat 1, with about 90 mph winds. That's about enough to chap exposed skin and scatter loose debris all over the place.
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Remembering a couple of things....

1. New England and the Northeast has not always had hurricane measures in building codes.
2. We have a lot of trees, and many of them are old and in poor shape.
3. We have a lot of OVERHEAD utility lines on poles
4. A lot of those poles are at least 40 years old.
 
Tigger said:
Remembering a couple of things....

1. New England and the Northeast has not always had hurricane measures in building codes.
2. We have a lot of trees, and many of them are old and in poor shape.
3. We have a lot of OVERHEAD utility lines on poles
4. A lot of those poles are at least 40 years old.
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Thanks Tigger. You explained this situation in a very articulate and erudite fashion.
 
I want to wish all of you who live in the endangered areas good luck! Hope you will be well.
 
This feels like one of those History Channel "When Nature Attacks" type shows.
 
Tigger said:
Remembering a couple of things....

1. New England and the Northeast has not always had hurricane measures in building codes.
2. We have a lot of trees, and many of them are old and in poor shape.
3. We have a lot of OVERHEAD utility lines on poles
4. A lot of those poles are at least 40 years old.
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Sounds like the northeast just isn't prepared for something like this at all, which is stupid seeing how the northeastern states are right on the ocean. We have overheads too, because they're easy and relatively cheap to repair.

Given that the climate is ever changing, you guys really need to start investing in new building codes and better disaster preparation plans, if any exist at all, because these storms may become a regular thing. If that happens, they'll only get stronger. When I was a kid, the storms were few and far between, with tropic storms every year a hurricane didn't happen. When it did it was minor, and we had a fun sit in at the house where I would read by candle light, or we would play board games around the kerosene lamp. Now it seems like every other year we get at least a Cat 3 that forces us to egress north while it goes about tearing the coastal towns apart. Just something to think about, but I doubt anyone who matters will take heed until it's too late.
 
Things are way different in the land of the mosquito, beach, humidity and pine barrens. NJ is one of the original 13 colonies and lots of our stuff is very, very old. Thankfully, we have never been carpet bombed and then had a Marshall plan or some such rebuild us. We are just the old USA.
 
Surtr said:
Sounds like the northeast just isn't prepared for something like this at all, which is stupid seeing how the northeastern states are right on the ocean. We have overheads too, because they're easy and relatively cheap to repair.
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Remember that much of what we have here in New England is pre-Civil-War era construction, or definitely pre-1920. The newer buildings are pretty good but we've just got so much old stuff that can't be retrofitted.

Overhead is great for some things, but it is constantly at the mercy of the weather. It's cheap and easy to repair, but it falls down again relatively soon after.

Surtr said:
Given that the climate is ever changing, you guys really need to start investing in new building codes and better disaster preparation plans, if any exist at all, because these storms may become a regular thing. If that happens, they'll only get stronger. When I was a kid, the storms were few and far between, with tropic storms every year a hurricane didn't happen. When it did it was minor, and we had a fun sit in at the house where I would read by candle light, or we would play board games around the kerosene lamp. Now it seems like every other year we get at least a Cat 3 that forces us to egress north while it goes about tearing the coastal towns apart. Just something to think about, but I doubt anyone who matters will take heed until it's too late.
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The current building codes are fine, it's the old buildings that are the biggest issue.

In terms of the electrical system, as someone who designs them for a living, the customers are not going to want to PAY for the maintenance and upgrades necessary to make us totally "storm-proof"
 
Here's hoping all our of DP posters affected by the storm come through it safely, with minimal property damage. Nobody really knows what's going to happen when a hurricane and a N'or Easter collide creating a 1,000 mile swath of potential chaos. My thoughts are with y'all.

As for those here who think it's cute to taunt and ridicule people facing a serious weather event, if empathy is beyond your reach I urge you to at least display a modicum of maturity.
 
A lot of people have lost a lot.
And many more will lose a great deal over the next 48 hours thanks to this system.

Seems childish and ignorant to be making fun of anyone at this point in time.
 
Tigger said:
Remember that much of what we have here in New England is pre-Civil-War era construction, or definitely pre-1920. The newer buildings are pretty good but we've just got so much old stuff that can't be retrofitted.

Overhead is great for some things, but it is constantly at the mercy of the weather. It's cheap and easy to repair, but it falls down again relatively soon after.



The current building codes are fine, it's the old buildings that are the biggest issue.

In terms of the electrical system, as someone who designs them for a living, the customers are not going to want to PAY for the maintenance and upgrades necessary to make us totally "storm-proof"
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Storm-proofing is more about individual responsibility than anything else. In the case you're describing, the only thing people can do is board up their windows, if they don't have shutters, and ride it out. Or they can evacuate. Even with those problems, a Category 1 isn't that bad. I'm seeing newscasters loosing their minds over how this is the storm of the century, but it isn't. It's just a scam to get people all riled up for ratings. The power may go out, some decrepit tree segments may cause property damage, and the old buildings that are falling apart are going to be helped along in that process, and there's going to be a lot of water. That's about it.

It's going to be alright, things get rebuilt, people will recover, and life will go on as it always has. As long as people don't go out, get high, and party in the hurricane, I don't see this particular storm becoming more than a moderate nuisance. However, instead of following in New Orlean's footsteps, the city needs to plan as though this is going to be a regular occurrence, and make the necessary reserve preparations for the future.
 
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Con Ed starts shutting power to Lower Manhattan.
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Much of the/my FDR drive is flooded.
Some of East village taking on water.

Laguardia Runways Under Water.
Battery Tunnel taking water.
Water reported have breached some Subway tunnels... and PATH trains to NJ.
Con Ed chief may shut down everything below 14th if it gets worse.
Tidal part of surge peeked half an hour ago, but may rise somewhat further.

Highest tidal surge in NY history including well recorded 1821 hurricane, when Southern Manhattan was well populated.
Battery high tide is 2.5' higher than that event.

Source: Mainly weather channel

On a personal note - wind is Scary strong.
Childhood ex Sound-front residence on North Shore of Long Island probably washed out as tides were 12' above normal there.

EDIT: Now reporting 3' of water inside New York Stock Exchange.
 
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One news channel showed video of people surfing on Lake Michigan. This storm system was producing surf-able waves an Lake Michigan.
 
Hundreds of thousands of people in Central - Southern New England without power. We're likely talking the better part of a week to have everyone back on throughout the area.
 
Latest reports indicate around 3 feet of water on the floor of the NYSE at the moment. Crazy stuff.
 
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EDIT: Now reporting 3' of water inside New York Stock Exchange.
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Correction.
The NYSE water report by Weather Channel and picked up by others was an Error/Incorrect.
 
I am praying for everyone who is going through this storm tonight. Stay safe!! :2grouphug
 
mbig said:
And what does/COULD that unsourced/Outdoor picture have to do with water on the floor of the NYSE?
You understand "NYSE" means "New York Stock Exchange"?

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It was taken @ the corner of Wall St. and Broad, sorry that I can't source my friend's Facebook page. :roll:
 
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