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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I don't care one iota what you have or haven't seen. I don't care about a stupid song or what anyone says about the storm a year from now. Your assessment that this is just another hurricane are incorrect because you ignore context and comparison, LOCALLY. Preparation is irrelevant. It would be like Miami getting hit with a blizzard and folks complaining that they were unprepared and it was no big deal. It was a big deal to THEM because of context and comparison. That's the issue that seems to elude you. So, I corrected your inability to understand those concepts.
    In a logistical context, there's no difference between Miami being snowed, or blown away by a hurricane.

    What would both events have in common?

    -No electricity, and all the problems that come with that.

    -inability for civilian travel, or at least greatly inhibited

    -lack of basic provisions: food, water and sanitation

    -severely inhibited travel by EMS, law enforcement, FEMA, etc.

    The only real difference I'm seeing is the ambient temperature.
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    Impact: This storm is like nothing that NJ has seen, pretty much ever. I've lived here all my life. In my memory (dating back to the early '70s) we have never had a storm of this magnitude; I do not believe that a storm with near Hurricane Category 2 force winds has ever made landfall in NJ. Landfall occurred at around 8 PM EST Monday night. For the most part, the state was badly hit prior to that, but it was more like just a really bad storm. Much of the severe damage occurred between the hours of 8 and 1 AM Monday night/Tuesday morning. During that time, winds were constant at between 50-75 MPH with consistent gusts of near or over 90. I live in Northern NJ... 30 miles from NYC, 40 miles from the shore. We lost power at 7:22 PM. I was checking JCP&L's website... they are our energy provider. At 7:30, 11% of my town was without power. At 1 AM 100% of my town was without power. The shore starting getting hit a bit earlier, but this was pretty standard around the state. The winds finally started dying down around 2-3 in the morning... and when I say "dying down" I mean 30 MPH consistent, with gust at 50 MPH.
    So....this was kinda consistent with a standard issue TROPICAL storm, then, lol? I mean, nothing you have posted here moves me, at all, in any way, really. Like I said, I've gone snorkeling in worse weather, and that's a true ****ing story.

    Tuesday was mostly spend assessing the damage. In my area, a local tree service had between 24-36 trucks parked in a local high school's parking lot for a week, waiting. When I went out to survey the area at about 10:30 AM, there were TWO trucks left there. The tree/power line damage was significant. Transformers blew by either being hit by trees/branches, or being ripped from the poles from the wind. At one point, nearly 90% of the entire state was without power. Practically no one was restored on Tuesday. Massive amounts of tree work needed to be done. Also, though flooding was not a problem in my area, the storm surge destroyed sub-stations in many areas, requiring several days of "drying out" before anything could be reconnected. The tree and pole damage is so widespread that no matter how many 'treemen" were enlisted, it wasn't enough. I have yet to see a street in the dozen towns I've been through that was left unscathed. Everyone I know says the same thing.
    Wow. So, you mean, you can't drive? Man, must be tough, and stuff, lol. Welcome to a standard issue hurricane, bub. That's just par for the course. 90% of the state without power. Man, that must be rough for a relatively small, over populated state, with small borders, with people readily able to drive 50 miles to another state to get supplies. Shoot. I'll bet that takes just HOURS out of the day. Look, you're not getting anywhere, here. You're describing a standard hurricane, here.

    One must understand context. NJ is one of the most densely populated areas of the world... and is the MOST densely populated state in the US... almost three times that of Florida for example. Also, because of our location, it is rare for a storm of this size to hit us directly. Most hurricanes that reach NJ are far weaker and are barely tropical storms by the time the get here. Most make landfall far to the south, and the land weakens them. Last year's storm, Hurricane Irene, for example. Much less damage, much less widespread. Context is why this storm is so devastating and why comparing it to a storm in Florida is irrelevant and has no place in comparison.
    Right. It's not FL, so a hurricane is a big deal. Well, you know what, welcome to the club, bub. The population density in NJ is NO greater than the population density on the COAST of FL. You know...the area hit hardest by hurricanes. But I get it, more rare for something like this to hit the NE, so, therefore, tough ****, right?

    By Wednesday, there were signs of restoration... and realization as to the damage. The Jersey shore has been pretty much destroyed. Some of the most popular vacation spots are fairly inhabitable. Just entering certain towns, even if you are a resident, will get you arrested. Some towns will remain like this for 6-8 months due to the damage to infrastructure... gas lines, sewer lines, and such. The famous Seaside amusement park... some of the rides were picked up and deposited in the ocean. There are boats on people's front lawns. Houses were blown from their foundations OVER A BLOCK AWAY. Power outages have created the gas "shortages" you hear about. It's not that there is no gas... it's that over 75% of all gas stations have no power to pump. And... with so many people operating on generators, AND all New Jersey Transit trains and most buses non-operational, the demand for gas is higher than it's ever been. Another problem during the restoration process is that damaged trees continue to fall. The power company may repair one thing... only to have a tree fall and destroy all the work they've done.
    OMG!!! You mean some of the rides had to be canceled!?! Well, shiver me timbers, folks! Look, it's not like I'm unsympathetic. Some of my earliest childhood memories that I can bring up are from the board walk in NJ. I'm actually ****ing CRUSHED that it's gone. I remember, we went on that, as a family, road some rides, and then I got a trnasformer that turned into a shuttle. It was awesome. I think I could not have been older than 5, at the time. I don't really remember the rides...but I remember the wood under my feet, the boardwalk itself, and that transformer, of course! It's one of the happiest memories I have, from my childhood. I litterally can't express to you how sad I am about that board walk...I can't. Words simply won't do it justice. I can't explain something primal. But what I CAN explain is that, beyond this loss, is the understanding that you ar enot alone in losing something important, identifying, integral to your history. Hell, FL hardly HAS historic **** like that, simply because of the nature of the storms that hit it, on a yearly basis. News? Obviously not, else, you would not have made this post.
    Thursday. Some services began to be restored. Though most towns were still at around 80%-90% with no power, a few shops and restaurants began to open. Want to get something to eat? Be prepared to wait a LONG time... and the restaurant may run out of food before you order. Supermarkets had practically nothing; they didn't have power and most people cleaned them out of non-perishables before the storm hit. Every supermarket I've visited had had to throw away their ENTIRE stock of frozen foods and refrigerated foods. It was at this point that the gas lines also started to become MORE of a problem as power restoration was still going slow because of tree/substation damage. Also, in my area, some high tension lines were not only blown off their towers, but the wind was so strong that it RIPPED THE INSULATION RIGHT OFF OF THEM. They could not be reattached; they had to be replaced, at least half a mile of them.
    Wow. Some resaurants started to open, lol. Forgive me. Day three, and a chance to eat out is the primary concern, lol? Day three of Charley, and FL was still trying to figure out how to remove the 10 ton piece of farming equipment from the roof of the local quickie mart. It's all about perspective, is it not?

    Friday. I went to get gas. I had heard that a station in my town got power back, so I decided to start waiting at 4 AM... for their 7 AM opening. I was fourth in line. At 6 AM, township police informed us that the station was out of gas... a very common occurrence over the past few days. So, I went to a station in the next town that I knew had been open on Thursday. They had a 7:30 opening. By the time I got there (6:15) the line already stretched 3 tenths of a mile... about a hundred cars. I got gas at about 8:45. Later, when I checked the station, the line was 8 tenths of a mile long. From what I've heard, this is relatively short. Governor Christie's gas rationing was a good move.
    Geeze. Outa gas. So sad. So, you had to go to another state, like CT, lol. I've helped a LOT of NY folk to gas in the last couple days. To be frank, assholes, all, but hey, they got a reason, right? But man, to have a state run out of gas, that's a ****ing catastrophe, right? No one ELSE should ever have to deal with such a travesty, right?

    I got power back at 6:30 PM Friday night. Most of my friends do NOT have power, yet. My street is about 2 miles long. At 9 AM I saw about a dozen First Energy trucks coming onto my street (they were from Michigan). It took nearly all of them that entire 9+ hours to get power back to my street and a few other streets on the same grid. One street and THAT'S how much damage was done.
    Hey, wow, so, within the god damn week, you had power back? GOOD for YOU!!!!!
    Things seem to be getting a little better in my area. On Tuesday, the block where I work was the only block in that town that had power (our power lines are underground). The restaurant next door started running out of basics 90 minutes after opening. Now, the town where I work has 50% power. Most towns are at about 50% or better, though there are still some that are largely without power. The entire state is at about 50%-60% without power still. Estimates are that things should be at about 80%-90% by Wednesday.
    Man oh, oh man, the hardships you must have been facing. I can only imagine.
    This storm was MASSIVE for the area and the reason that it has been so bad and received so much attention is because it has affected so many and is fairly unprecedented for the area. It would be like what would happen if Miami were hit with a 3 foot snow storm and a week of 20 degree weather.
    Miami HAS been hit with low degrees. The only reason why any of it gets reported on is due to the orange crops. This storm HAS affect so many, and it's attention is DIRECTLY related to the status of the folks it has affected.
    So, reading the minimizing posts by some is both annoying and demonstrating that those who are making them have no knowledge of what's actually happening and about context. If you have any other questions, please ask ME. Don't make assumptions.
    Are my posts minimizing? Read them and judge.
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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In a logistical context, there's no difference between Miami being snowed, or blown away by a hurricane.

    What would both events have in common?

    -No electricity, and all the problems that come with that.

    -inability for civilian travel, or at least greatly inhibited

    -lack of basic provisions: food, water and sanitation

    -severely inhibited travel by EMS, law enforcement, FEMA, etc.

    The only real difference I'm seeing is the ambient temperature.
    The types and ways to prepare and clean up before and after a snowstorm are quite different. I doubt that Miami has much salt or plowing trucks on hand.
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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I don't care one iota what you have or haven't seen. I don't care about a stupid song or what anyone says about the storm a year from now. Your assessment that this is just another hurricane are incorrect because you ignore context and comparison, LOCALLY. Preparation is irrelevant. It would be like Miami getting hit with a blizzard and folks complaining that they were unprepared and it was no big deal. It was a big deal to THEM because of context and comparison. That's the issue that seems to elude you. So, I corrected your inability to understand those concepts.
    To be honest, I have TONS of replies to this...but frankly, they are wrong, and I am drunk. You are correct. If Miami got hit with a blizzard that left 5 feet of snow ( A dusting by new england standards) it would likely leave them in the end all be all of butt ****s, in terms of hurt. So, I agree.


    Question.


    What would the news coveragw look like, as oposed to, say, new england's crisis?
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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I don't care one iota what you have or haven't seen. I don't care about a stupid song or what anyone says about the storm a year from now. Your assessment that this is just another hurricane are incorrect because you ignore context and comparison, LOCALLY. Preparation is irrelevant. It would be like Miami getting hit with a blizzard and folks complaining that they were unprepared and it was no big deal. It was a big deal to THEM because of context and comparison. That's the issue that seems to elude you. So, I corrected your inability to understand those concepts.
    You make a good point.
    Let me make another.
    I kind of gave up on this string and it's macho dismissers:
    "Oh I lived through Hurricane Andrew in Miami with 140 mph winds"

    This storm 'only' had 80 mph winds but in the space of 24 hours hit everything from Nags Head, NC, to Narragansett, RI.
    And of course up a hundred miles inland.
    It was the most heavily populated part of the country as well.
    It would, Roughly, be as if a storm hit All of Florida AND half the Gulf Coast in the same storm/day.

    The great width of the storm (far bigger than most hurricanes) Piled water up higher in NY Harbor than was ever measured.
    Higher than the 1821 Hurricane which was the previous known record.
    Imagine how the Midlantic/NE coast has built up since then.
    One can't expect that people should have anticipated it in light of that.
    re CC's point specifically...
    The Biggest victim of 2011's Irene? Vermont!

    Another reason I stopped was it was simply too big to report. I couldn't fathom posting all the damage.
    NJ, my NYC, LI, CT, so many stories; couldn't get my head around it.
    Not to mention my own minor displacement and outage and the mayhem here in midtown Manhattan.
    It's still going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    So....this was kinda consistent with a standard issue TROPICAL storm, then, lol? I mean, nothing you have posted here moves me, at all, in any way, really. Like I said, I've gone snorkeling in worse weather, and that's a true ****ing story.

    Wow. So, you mean, you can't drive? Man, must be tough, and stuff, lol. Welcome to a standard issue hurricane, bub. That's just par for the course. 90% of the state without power. Man, that must be rough for a relatively small, over populated state, with small borders, with people readily able to drive 50 miles to another state to get supplies. Shoot. I'll bet that takes just HOURS out of the day. Look, you're not getting anywhere, here. You're describing a standard hurricane, here.

    Right. It's not FL, so a hurricane is a big deal. Well, you know what, welcome to the club, bub. The population density in NJ is NO greater than the population density on the COAST of FL. You know...the area hit hardest by hurricanes. But I get it, more rare for something like this to hit the NE, so, therefore, tough ****, right?

    OMG!!! You mean some of the rides had to be canceled!?! Well, shiver me timbers, folks! Look, it's not like I'm unsympathetic. Some of my earliest childhood memories that I can bring up are from the board walk in NJ. I'm actually ****ing CRUSHED that it's gone. I remember, we went on that, as a family, road some rides, and then I got a trnasformer that turned into a shuttle. It was awesome. I think I could not have been older than 5, at the time. I don't really remember the rides...but I remember the wood under my feet, the boardwalk itself, and that transformer, of course! It's one of the happiest memories I have, from my childhood. I litterally can't express to you how sad I am about that board walk...I can't. Words simply won't do it justice. I can't explain something primal. But what I CAN explain is that, beyond this loss, is the understanding that you ar enot alone in losing something important, identifying, integral to your history. Hell, FL hardly HAS historic **** like that, simply because of the nature of the storms that hit it, on a yearly basis. News? Obviously not, else, you would not have made this post.
    Wow. Some resaurants started to open, lol. Forgive me. Day three, and a chance to eat out is the primary concern, lol? Day three of Charley, and FL was still trying to figure out how to remove the 10 ton piece of farming equipment from the roof of the local quickie mart. It's all about perspective, is it not?

    Geeze. Outa gas. So sad. So, you had to go to another state, like CT, lol. I've helped a LOT of NY folk to gas in the last couple days. To be frank, assholes, all, but hey, they got a reason, right? But man, to have a state run out of gas, that's a ****ing catastrophe, right? No one ELSE should ever have to deal with such a travesty, right?

    Hey, wow, so, within the god damn week, you had power back? GOOD for YOU!!!!!
    Man oh, oh man, the hardships you must have been facing. I can only imagine.
    Miami HAS been hit with low degrees. The only reason why any of it gets reported on is due to the orange crops. This storm HAS affect so many, and it's attention is DIRECTLY related to the status of the folks it has affected.
    Are my posts minimizing? Read them and judge.
    1) Of course they are minimizing. That's what defines your posts.
    2) Nothing I said indicated that I was having a hardship or anything of the sort. I was giving a report of what occurred. So, your sarcasm was an inaccurate presentation of what I said.
    3) Your entire post above STILL demonstrates your inability to understand context and comparison. I am not sure whether this is an overall problem of yours or just specific to this issue.

    So, based on what you have said in this thread, we have established that you are unable to understand context and comparison, and also cannot accurately interpret what another is saying. Good information to have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    To be honest, I have TONS of replies to this...but frankly, they are wrong, and I am drunk. You are correct. If Miami got hit with a blizzard that left 5 feet of snow ( A dusting by new england standards) it would likely leave them in the end all be all of butt ****s, in terms of hurt. So, I agree.
    I hope you understand that your pronouncement that you are drunk does not excuse the tone of your posts. You might want to log off.


    Question.


    What would the news coveragw look like, as oposed to, say, new england's crisis?
    Irrelevant to the issue we are discussing.
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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The types and ways to prepare and clean up before and after a snowstorm are quite different. I doubt that Miami has much salt or plowing trucks on hand.
    Miami doesn't have emergency vehicles that can travel through water that's 4+ feet deep, either. Neither does New Orleans, or Plaquemines Parish.

    My point being, the challenges of travel, emergency response, electrical service and logistics would be the same in both scenarios.
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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

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    I am. It is no more populated than, say, the COASTAL land of FL. Ever been to Daytona, or Sarasota, Miami, Etc?
    The Northeast is much more heavily populated than coastal Florida and all of those people are compacted into a MUCH smaller region than Florida. According to the population map, Jersey is the most heavily populated area followed by 3 other New England states (one of which is mine, Massachusetts). And if you've ever been to the Northeast, you would see that there are MANY communities that are practically right on the beach and there are a lot of small historical fishing villages too.

    STATE Abbr. Population Land Area Pop. Density Land Area Pop. Density
    (Sq Kms) (Sq Kms) (Sq Miles) (Sq Miles)
    1 New Jersey NJ 8,682,661 19,209.94 451.99 7,417 1,170.64
    2 Rhode Island RI 1,050,788 2,706.54 388.24 1,045 1,005.54
    3 Massachusetts MA 6,497,967 20,305.51 320.01 7,840 828.82
    4 Connecticut CT 3,501,252 12,548.49 279.02 4,845 722.65

    5 Maryland MD 5,633,597 25,314.54 222.54 9,774 576.39
    6 Delaware DE 873,092 5,060.84 172.52 1,954 446.82
    7 New York NY 19,490,297 122,283.70 159.39 47,214 412.81
    8 Florida FL 18,328,340 139,760.29 131.14 53,927 339.87
    9 Ohio OH 11,485,910 106,054.83 108.30 40,948 280.50

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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Indeed. Well, let's see...the very title of this thread is Frankenstorm. Then there is....



    Above are google search links for Super Storm, Mega Storm, and Storm of the Century. You'll find links to Sandy within the top 5 on ALL of them on google.


    You were saying?
    I don't understand what your problem is.

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