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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

    Quote Originally Posted by Uzidoesit View Post
    Sure, sure....help me by burning my house down after I'd been freezing? I'll wait until qualified and certified help make it. Electricians are unionized for a reason and they have high standards, or the whole ****house will burn down.
    It'd sure help your argument if you knew what you were talking about.

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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    You can be as prepared as possible. Evacuation routes. Of course the city government was pilfering off money left and right. So there was no chance a quality levee that had half a prayer would EVER be built on that alone. Not to mention the 1977 Environmental lawsuit preventing construction of levees. New Orleans was a cesspool of corrupt government, and LA state government prevented aid from being passed out to the super dome (pre levee break).

    Basically the moral of the story is...have a plan. Evacuations and have PROPER building codes that take into account...hurricane force winds for coastal areas. Houses alone coastal areas prone to storm surge should build first floor homes elevated ABOVE the storm surge heights. I mean building codes are GREAT things. Not to mention proper drainage.

    I understand that at the TIME of Katrina's known position and damage potential nothing could be done, but that isn't really the issue I am addressing. It is that not enough is done in prevention of such storms. Hurricane Charley struck Florida and hade winds up to 147mph. It was fast moving and it DID do a lot of damage. But thanks to proper building codes and luck...it was not that devastating.
    I live in Manhattan and I happened to be in South Florida back in 1992 for Hurricane Andrew and the results of both were similiar - incredible destruction that was unforeseen despite lots of preparation.

    For some reason some of you don't understand that this was the WORST storm in the history of NY / NJ - worst EVER. In my 50+ years there's NEVER been flooding in Manhattan and the power has never been off for 5+ days and counting. To categorize this event as the same as other storms in other parts of the country shows a true lack of understanding of this event. I also think some of you seem to leave out or ignore that this part of the country is the most densely populated in the country which does make it different than other storms in other parts of the country.

    No one that I know of here in the City is comparing this storm to other storms at other times. They're comparing it to all other storms ever in the NY tri-state area. Snow storms are nothing around here - we get them every year and we know how to handle them quite well.

    We don't know how to handle when our tunnels and subways are flooded 20 feet deep (never happened before, ever) and when an entire sea coast is wiped out.

    One last thing - preparations like closing the subways saved the system and who knows how much money.
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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Yep, that's what hurricanes do. Pretty much all of them. Every time, everywhere.

    Liberals, especially New York liberals, seem to think that history started the day they were born, and that the world begins and ends with what happens to them. They are always the stars of their own reality TV show. Drama runs thick with them.
    What a bunch of selfish BS. Now it's NY Liberals who you believe are to fault and overreacting? Wow one's political hate should never interfere with one's compassion - what a damn shame you have to live with yourself this way, for you.
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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Of course, it could be quicker, but the non-union workers aren't being allowed to help. That's blue-state mentality in its classic form.
    Totally and completely untrue - a falsehood. Once again political bias interferes with intelligent thought. Storms like this have nothing to do with "blue state mentality" and anyone who thinks what you wrote is living in a bubble in an alternative universe.
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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

    Quote Originally Posted by Uzidoesit View Post
    There is no reasoning with people like you.
    What kind of peoplw is he?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Nobody said this storm was worse than another. That is a delusion.

    Local workers should be the ones who benefit from the work that needs to be done as a result of the disaster. PERIOD.
    The people without electrcity should be the ones who bemefit! PERIOD!

    There's no time for a pissin' contest!!
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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

    Quote Originally Posted by Uzidoesit View Post
    I wouldn't want non-union workers putting electric wires up on my street, thank you.
    Non-union linemen do it everyday, without any problems.
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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

    Quote Originally Posted by Uzidoesit View Post
    Sure, sure....help me by burning my house down after I'd been freezing? I'll wait until qualified and certified help make it. Electricians are unionized for a reason and they have high standards, or the whole ****house will burn down.
    You have no clue how power lines work. Do you?
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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You keep talking about being "prepared." What exactly would you want the Northeast to do in order to be prepared? Got suggestions?
    Do you know what Storm Surge is? I assume so? Considering that is usually some of the most damaging portions of a hurricane, it needs to be dealt with. Proper drainage. Homes and buildings along coastal regions taking that into account. There is a WORLD of things that can be done to deal with storm surge. Sea Walls. Storm surge barriers. They build this stuff in Europe. The problem to get past is price tags here. Of course....when tallied next to loss of life and damage costs WITHOUT protection...I think it becomes less of an issue.

    Clearly nothing was learned from Katrina. PREPERATION is advancing your cities infrastructure to deal with potential threats. Or having a proper evacuation plan that gets people out. Or incrasing technical knowledge for workers so that they can better respond to an incident like this.

    I am fully aware of what exists on the east coast in historic terms. Do you want to price "historic sites and communties" and include loss of life on that tag? I am a history major and a history nut. I love going to historic sites. I won't put the importance of a site over someone's life though.

    This storm wasn't really a surprise. It was simply a matter of time. The history channel has been predicting this thing for YEARS with all the disaster shows. It will happen again. The question is...did the North East learn a lesson? I know that may seem heartless, but that is coming from someone who lives in an area in Florida that hasn't. It has been lucky recently, but didn't pay attention when Katrina edged the area. Mobile homes were destroyed, entire tracts of land decimated. It was terrible. There wasn't enough to learn. An island I frequent took 2 direct hits from hurricanes and finally stopped building large asphault roads that get washed away. They also backed a major highway up from the coast after it lost several miles of road.
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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

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    Do you know what Storm Surge is? I assume so?
    Of course I know what a storm surge is.

    Considering that is usually some of the most damaging portions of a hurricane, it needs to be dealt with. Proper drainage. Homes and buildings along coastal regions taking that into account. There is a WORLD of things that can be done to deal with storm surge. Sea Walls. Storm surge barriers. They build this stuff in Europe. The problem to get past is price tags here. Of course....when tallied next to loss of life and damage costs WITHOUT protection...I think it becomes less of an issue.
    Okay, Rhode Island just happens to have a hurricane barrier, but are you kidding? Okay, proper drainage and perhaps changing the way any new homes and/or businesses on the coast are built, but the rest of your stuff is just a pipe dream. Let's be realistic here.

    Clearly nothing was learned from Katrina. PREPERATION is advancing your cities infrastructure to deal with potential threats. Or having a proper evacuation plan that gets people out. Or incrasing technical knowledge for workers so that they can better respond to an incident like this.
    We did have evacuation plans and shelters as well.

    I am fully aware of what exists on the east coast in historic terms. Do you want to price "historic sites and communties" and include loss of life on that tag? I am a history major and a history nut. I love going to historic sites. I won't put the importance of a site over someone's life though.
    It doesn't matter what you think. That is never going to happen and is just kind of ridiculous when you think about it. How about we wrap houses in bubble wrap too?

    This storm wasn't really a surprise. It was simply a matter of time. The history channel has been predicting this thing for YEARS with all the disaster shows. It will happen again. The question is...did the North East learn a lesson? I know that may seem heartless, but that is coming from someone who lives in an area in Florida that hasn't. It has been lucky recently, but didn't pay attention when Katrina edged the area. Mobile homes were destroyed, entire tracts of land decimated. It was terrible. There wasn't enough to learn. An island I frequent took 2 direct hits from hurricanes and finally stopped building large asphault roads that get washed away. They also backed a major highway up from the coast after it lost several miles of road.
    The point of the matter is that no matter how prepared you are, that is NO guarantee for anything at all.

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