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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I can list a great deal of examples, all of which made NATIONAL news, whilst other states, with the same stories, don't even get a spot above the fold...on their own news paper. But I'm short on time, and don't feel like googling them up.

    So, I'll end MY argument on the matter by asking a simple question...of all the NATIONAL news stories to see or hear, how many of them involve relatively unimportant news, made important because it happened...in the north east? You know, things like a soft drink ban, or snow storms (because, CLEARLY, NY is the ONLY state ever to have really bad snow storms), etc.

    In short, I am sick and tired of watching the news, or the weather, living in CT, and having absolutely everything I see blown so far out of proportion that I can't even begin to call it truth anymore.

    FACT.

    It was a category ONE hurricane.
    It caused a lot of damage because they were NOT prepared. I live in Florida. We have had 18 hurricane seasons since 1850s that we did not get hit at least 1 time. We are ready. That is why it is news up there. They weren't ready. I get what you are saying. But you have to deal with that. This isn't the issue that gets blown out of proportion.
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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

    Quote Originally Posted by Uzidoesit View Post
    For those who don't know it, the Civil War is still being fought by many of our fellow countrymen. They think the south shall rise again and all that horse****.
    EASY Jersey. We Southern folk get a little uneasy wen yankees start shooting off their mouths about the Civil War. We know what follows is usually a whole heaping bunch of nonsense that they learned in third grade.

    Fact is that he IS right that things get blown out of proportion up there. All I get to hear is what is goin on up in North East when I turn on the news. I live in Florida. It is even worse here cause we get all your near dead. This is NOT an issue of that though. That was a big storm and a FREAK storm.

    MY issue was with the poor preperation. How does an Atlantic Coastal state not know it can be hit by such large storms? Speaking of history:

    List of New York hurricanes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I mean it was a Cat 1 and it is creating damage like a cat 3 or 4.
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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    EASY Jersey. We Southern folk get a little uneasy wen yankees start shooting off their mouths about the Civil War. We know what follows is usually a whole heaping bunch of nonsense that they learned in third grade.

    Fact is that he IS right that things get blown out of proportion up there. All I get to hear is what is goin on up in North East when I turn on the news. I live in Florida. It is even worse here cause we get all your near dead. This is NOT an issue of that though. That was a big storm and a FREAK storm.

    MY issue was with the poor preperation. How does an Atlantic Coastal state not know it can be hit by such large storms? Speaking of history:

    List of New York hurricanes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I mean it was a Cat 1 and it is creating damage like a cat 3 or 4.
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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

    Quote Originally Posted by Uzidoesit View Post
    There is no reasoning with people like you.
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    Seriously though...

    What do you mean "people like me?"

    I am Southern. Do you take issue with that? Or that I happen to see someone else's point? Or that my statement: The North Eastern states should have been better prepared is somehow an unreasonable claim for an Atlantic Coastal states?

    Perhaps you think I am saying that this storm was "no big deal." Well had it hit Florida? No. A cat 1 is not a "major news event" in Florida really. I mean sure...it sucks...and we will suffer damage, but most Floridians won't lose their minds over that kind of event. Mainly because we have building codes that prepare for such things. Storm surge is also a big deal here and we have coastal building regulations for storm surge too. Fact is...areas that are at risk don't build like they are. If you are in a COASTAL STATE you WILL be hit by a hurricane. Florida is going to have another major hurricane. It won't be a long time from now. But we will get one. It will test our evacuation plans and hurricane shelters out. Hopefully we are as prepared as possible.
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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    It caused a lot of damage because they were NOT prepared. I live in Florida. We have had 18 hurricane seasons since 1850s that we did not get hit at least 1 time. We are ready. That is why it is news up there. They weren't ready. I get what you are saying. But you have to deal with that. This isn't the issue that gets blown out of proportion.
    You keep talking about being "prepared." What exactly would you want the Northeast to do in order to be prepared? Got suggestions?

    This is kind of annoying to me. We already had evacuation procedures in place and shelters set up. What else would you expect?

    Another thing to keep in mind is that the east coast is loaded with historical sites and communities.
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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

    Although Sandy was a Category 1 storm at landfall--the technical issue as to whether it was a hurricane or powerful post-tropical cyclone will be resolved in the year-end assessment--does not mean that it was a trivial event. First, the northern Mid-Atlantic's/southern New England's geography tends to enhance the storm surge. Second, Sandy was one of the larger Atlantic hurricanes on record, and that allowed it to pile much more water against the coastline than would occur in a smaller storm, even if that storm were a Category 2 or 3 hurricane. Third, the storm surge coincided with a full moon, which further enhanced the magnitude of the storm tide.

    To illustrate the impact of the storm surge/waves, here's how Sandy (just prior to landfall) compared with recent landfalling hurricanes on the Hurricane Research Division's surge/waves product (6.0 = highest rating):

    2008:
    Dolly (Category 1): 2.1 out of 6.0
    Gustav (Category 2): 3.2 out of 6.0
    Ike (Category 2): 4.2 out of 6.0

    2009 and 2010: No U.S. landfalls

    2011:
    Irene (Category 1): 4.4 out of 6.0 at NC; 3.0/6.0 at NY as a tropical storm

    2012:
    Isaac (Category 1): 3.5 out of 6.0
    Sandy (Category 1): 5.3 out of 6.0

    In terms of news coverage, the reality is that Sandy impacted a highly-populated region. As a result, its human impact was much greater than if it had come ashore in a sparsely populated area. That its resulted in the closing of major traffic arteries and a portion of NYC's subway system has impacted millions of people.

    Finally, for those who are interested, below are some photos from my area:










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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You keep talking about being "prepared." What exactly would you want the Northeast to do in order to be prepared? Got suggestions?

    This is kind of annoying to me. We already had evacuation procedures in place and shelters set up. What else would you expect?

    Another thing to keep in mind is that the east coast is loaded with historical sites and communities.
    There are several levels of preparation, The local and state government can require special coastal building codes for structures in areas at risk for storm surge.
    They can also require flood insurance (if they do not already).
    Vital services, plan for the worst case, strong buildings and above ground mounted generators(and switching)
    On an individual level, most already or should have a blizzard kit, add to it enough supplies for 10 days.
    They said this storm was coming for several days, if you live in a storm surge area, pack up and leave.
    if you decide to stay, read some of the horror stories from Katrina and Ike, put a small hatchet in your attic.
    If you just have wind to worry about, fill up all of your gas tanks and containers, test your generator, secure loose items in the yard.
    Top off your propane tank, if you plan on cooking with you grill.

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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

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    There are several levels of preparation, The local and state government can require special coastal building codes for structures in areas at risk for storm surge.
    They can also require flood insurance (if they do not already).
    I can't comment on this as I don't live on the coast, but I would imagine that if you are living on the coast that these things only make sense. I will try to look it up later though and see what the codes are and what kind of insurance coverage is required for those living close to the coast.

    Vital services, plan for the worst case, strong buildings and above ground mounted generators(and switching)
    On an individual level, most already or should have a blizzard kit, add to it enough supplies for 10 days.
    They said this storm was coming for several days, if you live in a storm surge area, pack up and leave.
    if you decide to stay, read some of the horror stories from Katrina and Ike, put a small hatchet in your attic.
    If you just have wind to worry about, fill up all of your gas tanks and containers, test your generator, secure loose items in the yard.
    Top off your propane tank, if you plan on cooking with you grill.
    I think this is great advice.

    You have to keep in mind though that a lot of the buildings and homes on the coast are historical sites, and a lot of the smaller coastal towns have strict zoning laws in order to remain historically accurate. This is all a part of the tourism industry which draws in lots of people and money.

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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

    It is not that I am trying to downplay Sandy, it was a very bad storm, but look at some of the pictures from Ike.
    Hurricane 'Ike' in Never Before Seen Photos
    Hurricane Ike Before and After Pictures

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    Re: 'Frankenstorm' Headed to Region

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    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post

    I can't comment on this as I don't live on the coast, but I would imagine that if you are living on the coast that these things only make sense. I will try to look it up later though and see what the codes are and what kind of insurance coverage is required for those living close to the coast.



    I think this is great advice.

    You have to keep in mind though that a lot of the buildings and homes on the coast are historical sites, and a lot of the smaller coastal towns have strict zoning laws in order to remain historically accurate. This is all a part of the tourism industry which draws in lots of people and money.
    For the most part the Historical buildings should be fine, if they have been around for 100+years, it's not their first dance.
    Also they seemed to put a little more thought into site planning in the 18th and 19th century.
    If they did not plan the site well, the building would not still be standing.

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