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    Re: NYPD officer plotted to kidnap, cook and eat women, authorities say

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    After I'd read a few articles on this horror, I thought to myself that "Criminal Minds" writers now have new grist for their creative mill.

    (Mandy Potimkin has spoken movingly about why he left this TV show, and I understood perfectly. Corrosive to the soul. And yet there is a reason why the FBI involves itself in cases such as this.)

    The cop, from what I've read so far, had never acted on any of his fantasies or business plans. I think it was the NY Times article posted a few hours ago that quoted his saying that he hoped to become a "professional kidnapper."

    I'm thinking about what his attorney will say--about how he was playing suckers and never intended to do anything. All that matters to me, whether he was for realz or just playing, is that he's been busted and that his wife and kid got away before fantasy turned into reality.
    I love Mandy Potimkin, and I watched a lot of "Criminal Minds" because of him, but it is sanitized, dumbed down and does not begin to convey the horror of the crimes the Behavioral Science Unit deals with -- and I myself do not claim to know, either, and don't want to.

    I know cops who're friends with the guys involved in catching Danny Rollings, met Oba Chandler's appellate defense attorney, etc. and even this second and third hand brush with EVIL was more than my sanity could well-tolerate.

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    Re: NYPD officer plotted to kidnap, cook and eat women, authorities say

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    After I'd read a few articles on this horror, I thought to myself that "Criminal Minds" writers now have new grist for their creative mill.

    (Mandy Potimkin has spoken movingly about why he left this TV show, and I understood perfectly. Corrosive to the soul. And yet there is a reason why the FBI involves itself in cases such as this.)

    The cop, from what I've read so far, had never acted on any of his fantasies or business plans. I think it was the NY Times article posted a few hours ago that quoted his saying that he hoped to become a "professional kidnapper."

    I'm thinking about what his attorney will say--about how he was playing suckers and never intended to do anything. All that matters to me, whether he was for realz or just playing, is that he's been busted and that his wife and kid got away before fantasy turned into reality.

    That is a real problem with the Internet and criminal justice. On the Internet, people can starting following down bizarre fantasy paths with others that just keeps escalating between them. It is real? Just bizarre fantasy? Word games? Dark thoughts?

    On one level, there should be freedom of thought. Yet is that all it is? And does that seductive fantasy path being fed by others change it from fantasy to reality?

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    Re: NYPD officer plotted to kidnap, cook and eat women, authorities say

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
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    Just what the HELL is society coming to? And what does our legal system DO to these people?



    It is people like this (And child molesters) that we should bring back the Roman Coliseum in every city. Throw them to the lions and charge for tickets that the proceeds could be used to amp up law enforcement.

    I half way serious.

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    Re: NYPD officer plotted to kidnap, cook and eat women, authorities say

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    Just what the HELL is society coming to? And what does our legal system DO to these people?

    Maybe, you should calm down a bit and accept the fact that many, many crimes go unsolved or go undetected

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    Re: NYPD officer plotted to kidnap, cook and eat women, authorities say

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Maybe, you should calm down a bit and accept the fact that many, many crimes go unsolved or go undetected
    I'll try Rick.

    Of course this post had nothing to do with crimes that go unsolved or undetected, but still . . .
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    Re: NYPD officer plotted to kidnap, cook and eat women, authorities say

    Serious exploration into the changes that socializing on the Internet is causing should be undertaken.

    For the first time, a primary socialization of people is often anonymous, worldwide and allows a person to express their fantasies, fantasy self, and the hear and socialize with others also doing so - emotions and thoughts previously having no verbal or interactive outlet. This technology opens areas of human nature never before with any outlet or real applications.

    Does this allow people to vent? Do people increasingly get sucked into their fantascies - including dark, sadistic or violent ones? Seduced by the dark or bright fantascies and thoughts of others? Cause a person to increasingly become their inner unrestrained thoughts or to become those of others in some social network? Does it cause a person to divide into two or multiple personalities, confusingly intermixed with their real life? Does a person find their cyberworld self and social communication friends more attractive and increasingly lives their life in cyberworld?

    This case raises the obvious complex question of did he really mean this? Would he really have done it? Was this some bizarre back-and-forth escalation of a bizarrity sadistic words and fantasy contest that was really just words and nothing more? Or was he really plotting to do such things? Was he and the interactions on the internet exposing the reality he was actually headed towards? Was he being sucked to that reality by having this interactive release - and the gratifying interaction with others - having changed him in ways that with that interaction he never would have?

    We all know that people post and say things to others on the forum it unlikely would ever say to anyone in real life. So, then, are these internet words "real?" about each of us? Or are they just words and releases we otherwise cannot do - harmlessly so?

    Strangely, the crime he is charged with it the crime of expressing his thoughts not expecting them to come back at him in his reality self. Police often seize computers and thus "prove" the person is overall bizarre, anti-social, decadent, abnormal etc. But is having bizarre, anti-social, decadent and abnormal thoughts and expressions with other really proof of anything about the person?
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    Re: NYPD officer plotted to kidnap, cook and eat women, authorities say

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'll try Rick.

    Of course this post had nothing to do with crimes that go unsolved or undetected, but still . . .
    Faces you see, hearts you don't know.

    The so-called normal ones can murder with no remorse and...can easily go undetected

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    Re: NYPD officer plotted to kidnap, cook and eat women, authorities say

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Serious exploration into the changes that socializing on the Internet is causing should be undertaken.

    For the first time, a primary socialization of people is often anonymous, worldwide and allows a person to express their fantasies, fantasy self, and the hear and socialize with others also doing so - emotions and thoughts previously having no verbal or interactive outlet. This technology opens areas of human nature never before with any outlet or real applications.

    Does this allow people to vent? Do people increasingly get sucked into their fantascies - including dark, sadistic or violent ones? Seduced by the dark or bright fantascies and thoughts of others? Cause a person to increasingly become their inner unrestrained thoughts or to become those of others in some social network? Does it cause a person to divide into two or multiple personalities, confusingly intermixed with their real life? Does a person find their cyberworld self and social communication friends more attractive and increasingly lives their life in cyberworld?

    This case raises the obvious complex question of did he really mean this? Would he really have done it? Was this some bizarre back-and-forth escalation of a bizarrity sadistic words and fantasy contest that was really just words and nothing more? Or was he really plotting to do such things? Was he and the interactions on the internet exposing the reality he was actually headed towards? Was he being sucked to that reality by having this interactive release - and the gratifying interaction with others - having changed him in ways that with that interaction he never would have?

    We all know that people post and say things to others on the forum it unlikely would ever say to anyone in real life. So, then, are these internet words "real?" about each of us? Or are they just words and releases we otherwise cannot do - harmlessly so?

    Strangely, the crime he is charged with it the crime of expressing his thoughts not expecting them to come back at him in his reality self. Police often seize computers and thus "prove" the person is overall bizarre, anti-social, decadent, abnormal etc. But is having bizarre, anti-social, decadent and abnormal thoughts and expressions with other really proof of anything about the person?
    Interesting post. It will be interesting to see how this moves forward. Conspiracy to commit? ?? We all have a dark side. I must admit my dark side doesn't even come close to approaching this guy's . . . nor his compatriots'. Is planning a crime a crime? Or do we have to wait until he actually roasts someone alive?
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    Re: NYPD officer plotted to kidnap, cook and eat women, authorities say

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Interesting post. It will be interesting to see how this moves forward. Conspiracy to commit? ?? We all have a dark side. I must admit my dark side doesn't even come close to approaching this guy's . . . nor his compatriots'. Is planning a crime a crime? Or do we have to wait until he actually roasts someone alive?
    I am not defending the guy, but was he tangibly planning the crime? Or just fantasizing of such crimes? Do we have to wait and see before doing anything? How "tangible" does his expressed thoughts have to be to cross the line?

    I would think it would have to fall under some "conspiracy" theory, yes.

    But what if, instead, they has found this in some self diary or journal?

    The other prospect is a mental health commitment. That might be more appropriate and a better idea in general.

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    Re: NYPD officer plotted to kidnap, cook and eat women, authorities say

    I chalk these kinds of things up to the inevitability of a growing pool of genetic mutations...and the internet.

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