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    Arizonans to vote on taking Grand Canyon, other lands from federal control




    Arizonans to vote on taking Grand Canyon, other lands from federal control - U.S. News



    The right-wing wackos are going to destroy the Grand Canyon.
    This is one BIG Mistake.
    Apparently there's a big push to mine Uranium in the Canyon. WTF? Really? There goes the source of clean water for the western US.





    When voters in Arizona go to the polls next month, they will be asked to decide a landownership tug of war: Should the Grand Canyon belong to all Americans, or just the residents of Arizona?


    A controversial ballot measure backed by Republicans in the state legislature is seeking sovereign control over millions of acres of federal land in the state, including the Grand Canyon.
    Proposition 120 would amend the state's constitution to declare Arizona's sovereignty and jurisdiction over the "air, water, public lands, minerals, wildlife and other natural resources within the state's boundaries."
    The measure is the latest salvo in the so-called "sagebrush revolt" by Republicans in the West aiming to take back control of major swaths of land owned by various federal agencies, much of it by the Interior Department's Bureau of Land Management.

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    Re: Arizonans to vote on taking Grand Canyon, other lands from federal control

    Over 40% of the state is federally owned - geesh. I actually get the state's issue with that.

    With such a large area in question I don't see why they wouldn't be able to come to an agreement - a divide, really - that would aid in settling the issue without actually putting such a vastly relied on water source (etc) in question.
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    Re: Arizonans to vote on taking Grand Canyon, other lands from federal control

    God what a bunch of dorks. Federal lands can only be released to states by decree. In any event this is a VERY BAD IDEA
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    Re: Arizonans to vote on taking Grand Canyon, other lands from federal control

    I am sure the feds will win. Didn't Clinton declare a huge chunk of Arizona a new national park for no reason other than he could not get a mining authorization amendment off a piece of legislation he otherwise supported and signed? I am thinking it had something to do with strip mining.

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    Re: Arizonans to vote on taking Grand Canyon, other lands from federal control

    Hopefully Arizonans vote for yes,Let states decide and pay for running parks and how much of it they actually want to designate as a park lands.
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    Re: Arizonans to vote on taking Grand Canyon, other lands from federal control

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Over 40% of the state is federally owned - geesh. I actually get the state's issue with that.

    With such a large area in question I don't see why they wouldn't be able to come to an agreement - a divide, really - that would aid in settling the issue without actually putting such a vastly relied on water source (etc) in question.
    That's a big part of it.

    You all may remember the rather devastating fires we've had here over the past few years and a large part of the reason that those fires were so bad is that federal regulations didn't allow the land to be maintained in such a way that the impact of such fires could be mitigated.

    We also have a large portion of the state that is desert. Water management is a HUGE issue out here and there are serious concerns with the way that the federal government handles water issues.

    Take a look at this map (you can zoom in) - http://www.land.state.az.us/images/maps/stateplot.jpg
    The light blue areas are state trust land and the white are private land. Everything else is either federal, military or indian reservation. What we're looking for is state control over the wildlife reserves and BLM land so that we can have a little say in how it gets used. For example, the city of Tombstone has their water infrastructure damaged in the 2011 fire but federal regulators won't let them repair it which leaves the town in the position of not being able to defend itself from the next fire.
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    I understand that the left wants to paint the issue as one of Arizonans trying to destroy the Grand Canyon but that's the kind of desperate hyperventilation that pretty much always accompanies a toddler having his toy taken away because he's not playing with it responsibly.

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    Re: Arizonans to vote on taking Grand Canyon, other lands from federal control

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I understand that the left wants to paint the issue as one of Arizonans trying to destroy the Grand Canyon but that's the kind of desperate hyperventilation that pretty much always accompanies a toddler having his toy taken away because he's not playing with it responsibly.
    That sums it up nicely.
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    Re: Arizonans to vote on taking Grand Canyon, other lands from federal control

    Arizona has no legal authority to take over a national park. They're going to lose this battle, and they're stupid for even waging it in the first place. I understand their concern about the federal government owning so much of their state's land...but maybe they should start by petitioning for all that federal land that *isn't* a world famous landmark.
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    Re: Arizonans to vote on taking Grand Canyon, other lands from federal control

    Well I am from Arizona and I will say I voted against the Bill.
    Yet, how soon people forget that Utah signed a similar bill

    Even our Republican Gov is not in favor and has vetoed a bill that would "In May, Arizona's Republican Governor Jan Brewer vetoed a state bill calling on Washington to relinquish the title to 48,000 square miles, "

    So just because some extreme individuals get a bill on the ballot does not mean it will pass.

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    Re: Arizonans to vote on taking Grand Canyon, other lands from federal control

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Hopefully Arizonans vote for yes,Let states decide and pay for running parks and how much of it they actually want to designate as a park lands.
    The Grand Canyon is a NATIONAL Park, the land belongs to the Federal Govt. How much money is Arizona going to offer to buy that land? I'd say 50% of all State residents income for the next 25 years might do it. Start saving now.

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