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    Re: Arizonans to vote on taking Grand Canyon, other lands from federal control

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    This isn't about the Grand canyon specifically - that's just the partisan twist. It's about the people of the state being able to control the resources of the state.
    Resources which... never belonged to the states in any period of American history?
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    Re: Arizonans to vote on taking Grand Canyon, other lands from federal control

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Resources which... never belonged to the states in any period of American history?
    Out of curiosity, without the states then what, exactly, would the federal government be the government of?

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    Re: Arizonans to vote on taking Grand Canyon, other lands from federal control

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Out of curiosity, without the states then what, exactly, would the federal government be the government of?
    What a weird question. A state (any) only exists with certain powers handed down to lower constitutions. However, the concept of FEDERALLY OWNED LAND has been a fact of life since day 1 in our country. For Arizona, not even an original colony and for all purposes, a former territory, to show up now and start telling people that federally owned lands belong to them is treasonous to say the least. It's essentially stating that Arizona has the power to supersede the authority handed to the federal government when it comes to certain physical lands. Good luck arguing that in court.
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    Re: Arizonans to vote on taking Grand Canyon, other lands from federal control

    Thanks to Lutherf and mike2810 for the insightful and informative posts outlining both sides of the issue. I have learned something today! Good job, both of you!

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