Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

You keep doing this thing where because you don't like my opinions you lie and say I didn't answer. First, I gave a detailed explanation. Second, I boiled it down to a direct and simple response.

How does non-aggression apply to criminalizing abortion?

Abortion is aggressive; criminalizing it upholds the tenets of the nonaggression principle. There is no aggression in criminalizing abortion. Problem solved, it answers his question.



This is where you "Nuh-unh" again, isn't it? Well, I'm not really interested in playing "yeah-huh" with you. I know what I've said and I've now said it three times.

If experience teaches us anything, months from now you will pretend I didn't say anything, despite saying it three times. You would likely do it if I said it five times.

JayDubya said:

You keep doing this thing where because you don't like my opinions you lie and say I didn't answer. First, I gave a detailed explanation. Second, I boiled it down to a direct and simple response.

How does non-aggression apply to criminalizing abortion?

Abortion is aggressive; criminalizing it upholds the tenets of the nonaggression principle. There is no aggression in criminalizing abortion. Problem solved, it answers his question.



This is where you "Nuh-unh" again, isn't it? Well, I'm not really interested in playing "yeah-huh" with you. I know what I've said and I've now said it three times.

If experience teaches us anything, months from now you will pretend I didn't say anything, despite saying it three times. You would likely do it if I said it five times.

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Fact remains you didnt answer no matter how much you lie about it :shrug:
at least you finaly admit they are your OPINIONS, maybe you are learning but you did NOT answer the question at all, you dodged it lol

nobody asked you about "criminalizing abortion"

we asked you how is forcing women to risk their life against their will not an aggression, now will you answer that question or not or will you continue to lie LMAO

say you BS answer 100 times, guess what, nothing changes, you are scared to answer because you know the answer will prove you view women as a lesser and you support aggression against them.

Forcing a person to risk their life against their will is aggression PERIOD, I love exposing you and smacking you around, obviously you dont learn anything form experience because every time you lie im going to expose you

now are you honest enough and man enough to answer the question? I doubt it, youll give us all another lie and BS answer but the majority of posters here arnet stupid enough to fall for it.

here we go again lets see if you man up?

how is forcing women to risk their life against their will not an aggression?

The only "stupid" thing I could do would be to humor your nonsense. Your colorful euphemisms for abortion and pregnancy are irrelevant.

You just asked the same question he did with more of your bias thrown in, to the point that it nearly becomes incomprehensible nonsense. The same answer applies.

You'll of course fail to note that "criminalizing abortion" is a bias-neutral and objective way of referring to the same event.

JayDubya said:

The only "stupid" thing I could do would be to humor your nonsense. Your colorful euphemisms for abortion and pregnancy are irrelevant.

You just asked the same question he did with more of your bias thrown in. The same answer applies.

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LMAO!!!!
Thats what I thought, another post and you have NOTHING

no honesyt, no integrity, youjust get easier to expose with every post.

FACT: you view women as lesser
FACT: you support aggression against women
FACT: cant have equal rights in the case of abortion its impossible
FACT: forcing someone to risk their life against their will is an aggression.

do you have ANY facts that can even come close to proving otherwise

PLEASE post them, PLEASE lol
disprove these facts or continue to look foolish and have your lies exposed

Objective-J said:

I asked you for a fact that changes what i said not a random meaningless one
nice try, you have failed yet again LMAO

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1.) yes it does you cant change this fact, if you think you can by all means once again post any facts LOL any at all?

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Lets put this way, you have no idea what the right to life or the right to your body mean and just showing one finishes you off. Want me to go into the other one? You want me to tell you how her right to life is not violated? Yeah?

OPINION / PRINCIPLE: All humans are created equal.
OPINION / PRINCIPLE: All humans have unalienable, natural rights, and among these is the right to life.
OPINION / PRINCIPLE: Governments exist to protect these rights.

OPINION: Women are equal, and should be equal in the eyes of the law.
OPINION: Aggression is always evil, always impermissible.
FACT: It's not impossible for a society to respect every human's natural rights. (OPINION: It's quite simple.)
FACT: Using the power of law to punish homicide is not aggression, by definition of the word "aggression."

FACT: Objective-J often uses words improperly - with incorrect definitions - his phrasing is unclear, his spelling is atrocious, and his questions contain so much bias that others who do not share his biases or his opinions cannot give them an answer without first clarifying the problems with his questions.

FACT: Objective-J will often then berate those who clarify the problems with his biased questions for not answering his questions.

FACT: I have better things to do with my time.

Henrin said:

Lets put this way, you have no idea what the right to life or the right to your body mean and just showing one finishes you off. Want me to go into the other one? You want me to tell you how her right to life is not violated? Yeah?

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weird another post and no facts relevant to the debate?
you keep telling me what you OPINION of right to life is and right to body is but nobody cares about your opinion.

yes please tell us all what her FACTUAL right to life is, right to body is and tell me how forcing her to risk her life is not violating that right.

I CANT WAIT FOR THIS COMEDY LMAO

you failed insults exposes you even more with every post because me an others have asked for proof and facts and what have you offered? NOTHING :laughat:

do you think anybody smart and honest falls for your dishonesty? i mean honestly do you?

if you want to prove me wrong and stop embarrassing yourself all you have to do is post one bit of factual proof against the facts i stated, ONE, thats all can you do it? LMAO

JayDubya said:

1.)OPINION: Women are equal.
2.)OPINION: Aggression is always evil.
3.) FACT: It's very easy for a society to respect every human's natural rights.
4.)FACT: Using the power of law to punish homicide is not aggression.
53.)FACT: You often use words improperly, with incorrect definitions, your phrasing is unclear, your spelling is atrocious, and your questions contain so much bias that others who do not share your biases or your opinions cannot give them an answer without first clarifying the problems with your questions.

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1.) i agree you do have the opinion you view women as equal but that fact is you view them as less LMAO
2.) i agree here too, you supporting aggression against women at all costs is evil
3.) yes it is, to bad in abortion there is no such thing as equal :shrug: good thing we arent talking about general terms huh
4.) nobody every said it was genius LMAO this is a meaningless point you state over and over again like it means something, it doesnt
5.) another deflection that expose you yet again.

weird i read this post and what dont i see? any facts or logical suport that changes anything. NONE ZERO

FACT: you view women as lesser
FACT: you support aggression against women
FACT: cant have equal rights in the case of abortion its impossible
FACT: forcing someone to risk their life against their will is an aggression.

ill ask AGAIN to see if you can man up and answer the question lol

how is forcing women to risk their life against their will not an aggression?

Objective-J said:

1.) i agree you do have the opinion you view women as equal but that fact is you view them as less LMAO

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Thank you for this post. It confirms what I have been saying.

You recognize what my actual opinion is, and then you immediately lie about it, and then toss in a churlish ROFLMAOLOLBBQ :fart.

JayDubya said:

Thank you for this post. It confirms what I have been saying.

You recognize what my actual opinion is, and then you immediately lie about it, and then toss in a churlish ROFLMAOLOLBBQ :fart.

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oh look ANOTHER post and no facts to change anything

no lie there at all its 100% fact you view women as less, which part dont you get? :laughat:

you just have the false opinion you dont, not my fault you dont understand facts because you are dishonest and or uneducated on this matter :shrug:

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Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, God intended it | Reuters



Honestly, I think it is a reasonable and somewhat consistent position, although I don't agree with it. From the standpoint of someone trying to get elected in a close race with an unusually strong Libertarian candidate to splinter the Republican vote, it was just a stupid thing to say though. If it plays anything like Todd Akin's comment did, Joe Donnelly will take the senate seat from the Republicans in Indiana. I'd pretty much given up hope for the Republicans to take the senate this year anyway. Things looking very good for the GOP in 2014 though.

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God also intended for us to die of smallpox and the bubonic plague then too, didn't he? We found a solution instead of just accepting the pain and suffering.

Objective-J said:

weird another post and no facts relevant to the debate?
you keep telling me what you OPINION of right to life is and right to body is but nobody cares about your opinion.

yes please tell us all what her FACTUAL right to life is, right to body is and tell me how forcing her to risk her life is not violating that right.

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:2rofll:

Since I already DID the right to her body..

The Right to life describes an essential right to live, particularly that a human being has the right not to be killed by another human being. Since no one is saying the fetus has the right to kill her, you're once again, using a right incorrectly. Now, tell me again how what you said is a fact so I can continue to laugh at you.

Henrin said:

:2rofll:

Since I already DID the right to her body..

The Right to life describes an essential right to live, particularly that a human being has the right not to be killed by another human being. Since no one is saying the fetus has the right to kill her, you're once again, using a right incorrectly. Now, tell me again how what you said is a fact so I can continue to laugh at you.

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you did? where are these FACTS, id love to see them

where are these FACTS that disprove the facts I posted, why do you lie so much do you think anybody fails for it?

you like to reword things, did I ever say one single time that the ZEF has a right to kill her? once? anywhere?

wow you lie almost as much as someone else here i know.

no i will post AGIAN the facts that you havent disporved at all

FACT: its impossible to have equal rights in the abortion debate
FACT: anybody that is strictly prolife views the woman as a lesser
FACT: anybody that is strictly prochocie in all cases views the ZEF as a lesser

these facts still stand let me know when you post anything to change that instead of your meaningless opinion that me an others have disproved over and over again :laughat:

Objective-J said:

you did? where are these FACTS, id love to see them

where are these FACTS that disprove the facts I posted, why do you lie so much do you think anybody fails for it?

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A whole page back when I was talking about the right in question and about a few dozen back when talking to Vik. Pay attention for a change. :lamo

you like to reword things, did I ever say one single time that the ZEF has a right to kill her? once? anywhere?

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I never said you did. :lamo Read what I said again, and this time put on your thinking cap. The right to life implies a certain thing that no one is saying doesn't apply for the woman in this thread. Therefore, you are wrong. PAY ATTENTION.

no i will post AGIAN the facts that you havent disporved at all

FACT: its impossible to have equal rights in the abortion debate
FACT: anybody that is strictly prolife views the woman as a lesser
FACT: anybody that is strictly prochocie in all cases views the ZEF as a lesser

these facts still stand let me know when you post anything to change that instead of your meaningless opinion that me an others have disproved over and over again :laughat:

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Nope the first two have been destroyed by just looking at what the rights in question actually mean. Once again, pay attention.

The last one I don't care about.

Henrin said:

A whole page back when I was talking about the right in question and about a few dozen back when talking to Vik. Pay attention for a change. :lamo



I never said you did. :lamo Read what I said again, and this time put on your thinking cap. The right to life implies a certain thing that no one is saying in this thread. Therefore, you are wrong. PAY ATTENTION.



Nope the first two have been destroyed by just looking at what the rights in question actually mean. Once again, pay attention.



The last one I don't care about.

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no you didnt, you spouted off something you THINK has an impact but we want FACTS, not your opinion

all 3 stand because you have posted ZERO FACTS to change tham lol

I have no idea how you think repeating your meaningless opinion changes those facts, those facts dont care about your feelings.

you see honest posters require factual evidence, you havent stated any that changes those facts, its halarious you think you did.

again as always if you disagree humor us all and tell me what you have stated and how it disproves those facts. man up instead of trying to talk in circles because you look more and more silly every time.

please, I BEG you to be honest and just do that, PLEASE so us all how those facts are wrong.

qoute the fact you think has been "destroyed" LMAO, then qoute your facts that you THINK change it

I know you wont do this because you NEVER do, you dont have the stones to directly challenge them, thats why you talk in circles and try to deflect all the time, but i hope you do because it will be VERY entertaining.
Come on shoe some integrity show you can be honest.


also to be fair i will gladly do the same after you supply your "facts" that you think change anything, i will post facts as to why they dont.

please fill my request I cant wait!!!opcorn2:

Objective-J said:

no you didnt, you spouted off something you THINK has an impact but we want FACTS, not your opinion

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Oh how very funny, because what I stated are indeed facts.

all 3 stand because you have posted ZERO FACTS to change tham lol

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No the two I was facing are not valid. Why you ask? Because they rely on the rights being governed in the way you imagine. The problem is, they don't work in the way you imagine. I don't imagine you see how your entire argument is invalid now, do you? I don't imagine you ever will to be perfectly frank. How very sad.

I have no idea how you think repeating your meaningless opinion changes those facts, those facts dont care about your feelings.

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Hahahaha..what feelings? I mentioned no feelings. If any argument presented here is built on feelings, its yours my boy.

you see honest posters require factual evidence, you havent stated any that changes those facts, its halarious you think you did.

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Honest posters would notice that when I describe the right there is very good chance its a fact, and not my opinion. Did you do any sort of research on either right I listed? If you did you might of noticed that wikipedia and the definition of the right to life I gave match. On the right to your body I described a long accepted idea that is true for all your rights no matter which right is. For some reason however being ignorant like you are, you think that it is just my opinion. How very cute.

again as always if you disagree humor us all and tell me what you have stated and how it disproves those facts. man up instead of trying to talk in circles because you look more and more silly every time.

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Circles? I talk directly to you debunking every last point you bring up at its foundation and you actually think I'm talking in circles? I wonder if you even understand what you said. Each of your points are dependent on your own definition of those rights I included and without them what you do actually have? Nothing really. Sure you might think you actually have something left, but with no right to do anything other than what the rights of the parties decide you don't have much of an argument I'm afraid. So tell me, is the woman lesser if the right is protected? No, not really. In fact, its impossible.

Edit: Saying all of this, do I like the idea making it illegal and what it means for her possible actions? No, not at all. That however is a completely different issue.

Henrin said:

Oh how very funny, because what I stated are indeed facts.



No the two I was facing are not valid. Why you ask? Because they rely on the rights being governed in the way you imagine. The problem is, they don't work in the way you imagine. I don't imagine you see how your entire argument is invalid now, do you? I don't imagine you ever will to be perfectly frank. How very sad.



Hahahaha..what feelings? I mentioned no feelings. If any argument presented here is built on feelings, its yours my boy.



Honest posters would notice that when I describe the right there is very good chance its a fact, and not my opinion. Did you do any sort of research on either right I listed? If you did you might of noticed that wikipedia and the definition of the right to life I gave match. On the right to your body I described a long accepted idea that is true for all your rights no matter which right is. For some reason however being ignorant like you are, you think that it is just my opinion. How very cute.



Circles? I talk directly to you debunking every last point you bring up at its foundation and you actually think I'm talking in circles? I wonder if you even understand what you said. Each of your points dependent on your own defination of those rights I included and without them what you do actually have? Nothing really. Sure you might think you actually have something left, but with no right to do anything other than what the rights of the parties decide you don't have much of an argument I'm afraid.

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good god man, lmao you stink of desperation
another post and ZERO facts that change anything
so i guess this means you do NOT accept the challenge

we knew you wouldnt and its because you CANT :laughat:

let me know when you can, like said i cant wait

Objective-J said:

good god man, lmao you stink of desperation
another post and ZERO facts that change anything
so i guess this means you do NOT accept the challenge

we knew you wouldnt and its because you CANT :laughat:

let me know when you can, like said i cant wait

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Did I finally make you stop responding? Its amazing how even in defeat you can't just admit it. You know, there is something to be said about someone being humble enough to admit defeat, but sadly you don't have such a trait.

Henrin said:

Did I finally make you stop responding? Its amazing how even in defeat you can't just admit it. You know, there is something to be said about someone being humble enough to admit defeat, but sadly you don't have such a trait.

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weird you claim victory when you haven't posted anything that changes the facts and you FAILED to accept the challenge, now THAT is hilarious.

guess what the facts still stand LMAO

why dont you just man up and accept the challenge, we all know why you wont! :laughat:

Objective-J said:

weird you claim victory when you haven't posted anything that changes the facts and you FAILED to accept the challenge, now THAT is hilarious.

guess what the facts still stand LMAO

why dont you just man up and accept the challenge, we all know why you wont! :laughat:

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There is no challenge I haven't accepted and completed, my boy. Everything appears to be done here and I will be on my way. You can enjoy talking to yourself from here on out.

Henrin said:

There is no challenge I haven't accepted and completed, my boy. Everything appears to be done here and I will be on my way. You can enjoy talking to yourself from here on out.

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another bold face lie, wow, your dishonesty know no bounds, how times a day do you plain lie here LMAO:lamo
its ok run away without posting any facts or taking the challenge we knew you would:2wave:

Objective-J said:

another bold face lie, wow, your dishonesty know no bounds, how times a day do you plain lie here LMAO:lamo
its ok run away without posting any facts or taking the challenge we knew you would:2wave:

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Just shameful Objective. Anyway, where was I? Oh right, moving on.

Henrin said:

Just shameful Objective. Anyway, where was I? Oh right, moving on.

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you keep saying that but here you are still trying to save face LOL
i can still smell you desperation, man up, take the challenge, i know if i was you and i had facts i would! instead you just run and hide:lamo

JayDubya said:

OPINION / PRINCIPLE: All humans have unalienable, natural rights, and among these is the right to life.

FACT: It's not impossible for a society to respect every human's natural rights. (OPINION: It's quite simple.)

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FACT: if the first I quoted above thing is an opinion, the second thing cannot possibly be a fact.

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FACT: if the first I quoted above thing is an opinion, the second thing cannot possibly be a fact.

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Disagreed. Whether or not you believe in natural rights, it is quite possible for a government to exist which respects them, codifies this respect into law, and respects them equally among all. At worst, I suppose one may opine that it would be quite difficult, but I would disagree with that assessment.