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Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

Objective-J said:
is the following true?
he doesnt support abortion in any case including rape (except live of mother in IMMEDIATE danger)
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Yes it is.

he wants all abortions outlawed
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I believe it is, other than that exception case. :)

he wants abortion to legally be murder
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True again.

he wants women who have abortions and the people who carry them out to be charged with murder
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Again true.
 
Henrin said:
Yes it is.



I believe it is, other than that exception case. :)



True again.



Again true.
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ok why does he/you feel that way?
 
Pinkie said:
I have a name for the feelings Jay seems to have, and "perfectly normal" ain't it.
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If someone feels someone doing an act is wrong many times they will not feel sorry for those people when something happens to them. Something could happen to them in the act or after and many people that feel what they did was wrong won't feel bad about what happened. In many ways that is perfectly normal behavior.

I know its not a pretty thought, but it's really to be expected.
 
Objective-J said:
so no you didnt answer my questions
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I was correcting this part of your statement.

going by the words in his post he certainly doesnt view women as equal to a fetus, he views them as LESS
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Going by his words that is not what it says, so yes, what I said does have an impact on your statement. He doesn't view them as less or hate women. He is just out to protect the unborn. That is it.
 
Henrin said:
1.)I was correcting this part of your statement.



Going by his words that is not what it says, so yes, what I said does have an impact on your statement. He doesn't view them as less or hate women. He is just out to protect the unborn. That is it.
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1.) it doesnt need corrected, you didnt answer my question nor did what you post actually impact anything lol :shrug:

2.) i never said he hates women i said I dont know if he does, i said he virews them as less

and yes, he is out to protect the unborn at the cost of not protecting women, that is viewing them as less.

in his words he wants to "stop aggression" against unborn but he doesnt care about aggression against women, in fact he wants to enable aggression against them. SO the logical conclusion is he views them as less.
 
Objective-J said:
1.) it doesnt need corrected, you didnt answer my question nor did what you post actually impact anything lol :shrug:

2.) i never said he hates women i said I dont know if he does, i said he virews them as less
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You were wrong about him seeing them as less and you have no reason to suspect that he hates women. How is my comment not facing both?


and yes, he is out to protect the unborn at the cost of not protecting women, that is viewing them as less.
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So if you were out to make an act illegal would you protect people in the process of the act? Well, would you? Obviously not. If someone is trying to kill another and you view that as equal to murder you aren't going to just go, ok, so you need to survive through this, allow me to assist you in the process. That isn't going to happen.

in his words he wants to "stop aggression" against unborn but he doesnt care about aggression against women, in fact he wants to enable aggression against them. SO the logical conclusion is he views them as less.
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In that he wants to make it it illegal? Well, that is kind of what happens when you make something illegal that someone is doing. The state punishes those that do the act and inflicts "aggression" against the guilty party. That isn't viewing women in general as less, but women that abort as criminals.
 
It really is a shame that you two are still here trolling away and can't seem to speak on topic.

Your delusions about me and your personal attacks are not the topic.
 
JayDubya said:
It really is a shame that you two are still here trolling away and can't seem to speak on topic.

Your delusions about me and your personal attacks are not the topic.
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Hopefully you don't mind me speaking on your behalf and I hope I got everything right. If not, sorry. :3oops:
 
Henrin said:
Hopefully you don't mind me speaking on your behalf and I hope I got everything right. If not, sorry. :3oops:
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No, I don't mind someone accurately conveying positions I have taken multiple times (with no ambiguity) whatsoever in the face of two people flat out lying about those positions and namecalling in a bad faith effort to trollbait. Indeed, I appreciate it, though it would be better if you didn't have to bother defending against posts that should not exist.
 
Henrin said:
1.)You were wrong about him seeing them as less and you have no reason to suspect that he hates women. How is my comment not facing both?




2.)so if you were out to make an act illegal would you protect people in the process of the act? Well, would you? Obviously not. If someone is trying to kill another and you view that as equal to murder you aren't going to just go, ok, so you need to survive through this, allow me to assist you in the process. That isn't going to happen.



3.)In that he wants to make it it illegal? Well, that is kind of what happens when you make something illegal that someone is doing. The state punishes those that do the act and inflicts "aggression" against the guilty party. That isn't viewing women in general as less, but women that abort as criminals.
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1.) no im not wrong baout him vewing them as less, there as been zero evidence to suggest otherwise.
and again i clearly said i dont know if he hate women lol why do you keep repeating it like i said it?

and i asked how your comment changed anything, i want you to specify, you didnt specify and more importantly it didnt change anything

2.) doesnt change the fact that it is at the expence of women :shrug: not my fault that logically and realty wise he is simply wrong lol

3.) no im not talking about punishing a criminal, im talking about forcing a women to carry a zef and give birth against her will, the government would have to do that in this case and he would enable that aggression. therefore what i said is true.

yes, he is out to protect the unborn at the cost of not protecting women, that is viewing them as less.

in his words he wants to "stop aggression" against unborn but he doesnt care about aggression against women, in fact he wants to enable aggression against them. SO the logical conclusion is he views them as less.

sorry but in this situation it isnt like punishing a burglar or a murder its a COMPLETELY different scenario.

to give the ZEF all the rights would be to make the woman lesser, theres no way around that fact.
 
JayDubya said:
It really is a shame that you two are still here trolling away and can't seem to speak on topic.

Your delusions about me and your personal attacks are not the topic.
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weird thought you just chose to break the rules yourself lol
tell me about those delusions again lol
 
JayDubya said:
No, I don't mind someone accurately conveying positions I have taken multiple times (with no ambiguity) whatsoever in the face of two people flat out lying about those positions and namecalling in a bad faith effort to trollbait. Indeed, I appreciate it, though it would be better if you didn't have to bother defending against posts that should not exist.
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no lies in my post at all, if you disagree by all means feel free to proove with facts, id LOVE for you to do that. my guess is you wont because you cant.
 
Aggression is the initiation of force. Punishing aggression is not and can not be aggression since by definition the punishment for the crime comes after the harm is inflicted or attempted to be inflicted upon others.

Pretty basic concept that shouldn't need explanation... but hey.


I have given no indication whatsoever of bigotry against women. I've been quite clear that I value equality. Currently, I'm pretty sure that born females of our species have their natural right to life protected by law. Since all humans are created equal and all humans have a right to life, it would be nice if all unborn males and females of our species had their rights protected, too. The notion that one could ever have a right to kill another human in aggression is absurd.
 
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JayDubya said:
Aggression is the initiation of force. Punishing aggression is not and can not be aggression since by definition the punishment for the crime comes after the harm is inflicted or attempted to be inflicted upon others.

Pretty basic concept that shouldn't need explanation... but hey.
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good thing nobody said that :shrug:
try again LOL

once abortion is illegal what happens to all the women who do not want to carry a ZEF to term?
 
What happens to most folks who want to kill other humans?

Most don't like the prospect of spending the rest of their lives in prison, I imagine.
 
JayDubya said:
What happens to most folks who want to kill other humans?

Most don't like the prospect of spending the rest of their lives in prison, I imagine.
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lol
so do you plan on actually answering the question or are you going to dodge and expose yourself further?

sorry no matter how much you try to make it, "murdering" a person on the street will never be like abortion, this is just a plain fact. Dynamics are 100% different.

the question is: "once abortion is illegal what happens to all the women who do not want to carry a ZEF to term?"

how do you plan on forcing those women to carry the zef to term?

and I can save you the trouble if you plan on being dishonest AGAIN.
the answer "the same way you force a stranger on the street from killing another stranger" is not a honest, rational or logical answer. LOL They are not the same to anybody educated and objective.

Ill wait to see if you give a honest answer :D
 
I'm not going to dignify that sort of baiting, especially since we hashed all of that out in detail months ago before I learned better.

You have your answer.
 
JayDubya said:
I'm not going to dignify that sort of baiting, especially since we hashed all of that out in detail months ago before I learned better.

You have your answer.
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LMAO
thats what I thought, of course you dodge it

and no we did NOT hash out any details months ago, you gave the BS answer i posted above and it was destroyed by me and others and proved to not be a honest and logical and objective answer.

sorry you still cant back up your illogical claims but wanting logic, facts and reality based answers instn baiting on any planet, calling a person out for a non-answer isnt baiting on any planet either.

I tried once again to let you explain your position and support it with facts or logic or anythign even reality based and you are once agin electing to pass.

Fine by me, facts havent change, you still have yet to ever honestly answer that question and its because a true answer exposes your "protect people against aggression stance" as BS.

oh well, if something changes and you are ready to be honest, ill be here
 
Objective-J said:
LMAO
thats what I thought, of course you dodge it

and no we did NOT hash out any details months ago, you gave the BS answer i posted above and it was destroyed by me and others and proved to not be a honest and logical and objective answer.

sorry you still cant back up your illogical claims but wanting logic, facts and reality based answers instn baiting on any planet, calling a person out for a non-answer isnt baiting on any planet either.

I tried once again to let you explain your position and support it with facts or logic or anythign even reality based and you are once agin electing to pass.

Fine by me, facts havent change, you still have yet to ever honestly answer that question and its because a true answer exposes your "protect people against aggression stance" as BS.

oh well, if something changes and you are ready to be honest, ill be here
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Oh, good to see I'm not the only one you run this stale game with. You want to talk about credibility? LOL!
 
JayDubya said:
No, I don't mind someone accurately conveying positions I have taken multiple times (with no ambiguity) whatsoever in the face of two people flat out lying about those positions and namecalling in a bad faith effort to trollbait. Indeed, I appreciate it, though it would be better if you didn't have to bother defending against posts that should not exist.
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Ok, I was just checking. :)
 
Breitbart4Life said:
Oh, good to see I'm not the only one you run this stale game with. You want to talk about credibility? LOL!
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LMAO trust me, thats the wrong side of the fence rookie.
but please proceed :D

its a check mate not a stale mate
 
Objective-J said:
LMAO trust me, thats the wrong side of the fence rookie.
but please proceed :D

its a check mate not a stale mate
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That may be true on the basis of the actual topic. However, why doesn't it surprise me that you're engaging in this. Where are you on the Biden comment, "They're gonna put ya'll back in chains"? And before you accuse me of going off the "deep end," it's to expose how biased you are. This whole garbage about "rape" is dumb. Any Republican who continues to say this crap is hurting himself and his political party.
 
Breitbart4Life said:
That may be true on the basis of the actual topic. However, why doesn't it surprise me that you're engaging in this. Where are you on the Biden comment, "They're gonna put ya'll back in chains"? And before you accuse me of going off the "deep end," it's to expose how biased you are. This whole garbage about "rape" is dumb. Any Republican who continues to say this crap is hurting himself and his political party.
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what the hell are you talking about now LMAO

engaging in what?

are you trying to address the OP here?
do you even know if I addressed the OP here and what I said?

and you telling me not to say you went off the deep end wont stop me because you are doing it again!

you are ranting about the OP which you do not know if i commented on, you are accusing me of lord knows what simply because i posted here, so you are ASSUMING you have a clue to what i said and then you bring up biden and you have no clue if i have ever commented on him either.

that is the pure definition of being knee jerk and ranting, you dont even know you are doing it do you?

WOW

and for the record ANYBODY that talks about rape that way is hurting themselves IMO
 
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