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Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

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And she would be absolutely right.

And she, like you, and him... would still have the same problem to account for:

"I am truly a slave of the state - the government forces me to refrain from killing you right now."

I don't generally consider the state requiring one human to refrain from killing another in cold blood without just cause to be enslavement. That's kind of the bedrock of civilization, yeah?
 
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I am truly a slave of the state - the government forces me to refrain from killing you right now.

:roll:

Those bastards!
 
re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

And she, like you, and him... would still have the same problem to account for:

"I am truly a slave of the state - the government forces me to refrain from killing you right now."

I don't generally consider the state requiring one human to refrain from killing another in cold blood without just cause to be enslavement. That's kind of the bedrock of civilization, yeah?

Yes. But terminating a pregnancy is not killing another in cold blood without just cause.
 
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Considering that you wanted her dead, you really have no business having custody. What a shame. Maybe she'll turn out okay anyway.

thanks for you meaningless opinion but the state my family, the mothers family disagree with you and most importantly SHE disagrees with you :laughat:

and so far so good, she is well educated in reality by me and currently all her classes are advanced or accelerated :D


wanted her dead??? you crack me up how dishonest you are
thought you had me on ignore? lol
 
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No, it really didn't. If you abandon your principles the moment they become inconvenient, you never had principles. We weren't ready and we had some hard times making ends meet.

How awesome is my unplanned kid? So awesome.

Exactly. If you are tested to stand up to your principles and you fall flat on your ass in doing it then you never actually believed it to begin with.
 
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Yes. But terminating a pregnancy is not killing another in cold blood without just cause.

Do you mean aside from the indisputable fact that it objectively meets all of those criteria? Or how else did you want me to interpret this sentence?





Look, at the end of the day, Mourdock said that all human life is sacred. A Christian said that he believes that all human life, regardless of its origins is sacred.

This isn't worth a hub-bub.

I would disagree with Mourdock only because I'm an atheist, and I think that nothing is sacred. I still that think that all human life has special value, as we are the only known sapient species. I also do not think that a human conceived in less than ideal circumstances is somehow inherently evil or worthy of destruction.

I appreciate that the man has principles. He could probably stand to word things better if he wants to persuade others.
 
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Yes. But terminating a pregnancy is not killing another in cold blood without just cause.

That would depend, but since you defended doing it for convenience, that is exactly what you are arguing for.
 
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1.)Liberty is the idea that we can do whatever it is that we want as long as it doesn't violate the rights of another. Unfortunately, your argument on that front doesn't work.

Rights stop where others begin, so that is another failed part of your argument.

and the last part I already dealt with.



2.)No, it is not.



I guess so.

1.) again where you will always fall on your face and your dishonest is exposed I fully admit both the ZEF and woman have rights, you only want the ZEF to have rights and you ignore the woman :shrug:
2.) 100% is
3.) and that is why your argument fails and where all the dishonest is :D
 
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thanks for you meaningless opinion but the state my family, the mothers family disagree with you and most importantly SHE disagrees with you :laughat:

and so far so good, she is well educated in reality by me and currently all her classes are advanced or accelerated :D


wanted her dead??? you crack me up how dishonest you are
thought you had me on ignore? lol

Did you not want her dead? So you changed your mind, big whoop. You still wished death on your child. If I was you that would be something that i would always be aware of and feel guilty about.
 
re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

Yes. But terminating a pregnancy is not killing another in cold blood without just cause.

shhhhhhhs more logic that will fall on deaf ears
 
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Did you not want her dead? So you changed your mind, big whoop. You still wished death on your child. If I was you that would be something that i would always be aware of and feel guilty about.

no i didnt want "her" dead and thats 100% fact nor did I wish death on her, your funny

nothing to feel guilty about at all that would be stupid lol why would i feel guilty about thinkin it would have been the right move to not have a kid with someone I didnt think was ready nor was i, it was 100% the right thought and its been proven at this point since i have sole custody.
 
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Did you not want her dead? So you changed your mind, big whoop. You still wished death on your child. If I was you that would be something that i would always be aware of and feel guilty about.

Indeed. I know would be wracked with guilt if I had tried to argue for my own kid to be killed. That was never on the table - we were scared, sure but we weren't evil and selfish.
 
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That would depend, but since you defended doing it for convenience, that is exactly what you are arguing for.

No it isn't. What I am arguing for is women to have the legal right to choose what happens to their bodies, especially after a violation of their body by someone else.
 
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Indeed. I know would be wracked with guilt if I had tried to argue for my own kid to be killed. That was never on the table - we were scared, sure but we weren't evil and selfish.


:laughat:
evil and selfish:lamo

more like smart, logical and unselfish, thats proven by me having full custody
 
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wow good job hugh i didnt even report anything, didnt think it ws worth it.
 
I dunno... I'd say trying to force your beliefs on others in the manner you want to is pretty selfish when it doesn't affect you.

When it suddenly becomes legal to wrong some minority group that doesn't include me, that doesn't technically affect me.

It certainly violates my sense of fair play, my support for equality, my desire for a government that upholds human rights... but it doesn't affect me.



In short... You are trying to define "selfish" as "having a desire to uphold the rights of others when I am not personally affected." Somehow, I do not think this will go well.
 
When it suddenly becomes legal to wrong some minority group that doesn't include me, that doesn't technically affect me.

It certainly violates my sense of fair play, my support for equality, my desire for a government that upholds human rights... but it doesn't affect me.

You are trying to define "selfish" as "having a desire to uphold the rights of others." Somehow, I do not think this will go well.

this example fails every time because logically its not a parallel. two sides to this coin and BOTH must be acknowledged, you ignore one sides and then falsely claim that you are doing good. You ignore the human rights of the woman and pretend you dont.

Jet is spot on, both must be acknowledged.
 
No it isn't. What I am arguing for is women to have the legal right to choose what happens to their bodies, especially after a violation of their body by someone else.

Which would include for convenience. :2razz:
 
Do you mean aside from the indisputable fact that it objectively meets all of those criteria? Or how else did you want me to interpret this sentence?





Look, at the end of the day, Mourdock said that all human life is sacred. A Christian said that he believes that all human life, regardless of its origins is sacred.

This isn't worth a hub-bub.

I would disagree with Mourdock only because I'm an atheist, and I think that nothing is sacred. I still that think that all human life has special value, as we are the only known sapient species. I also do not think that a human conceived in less than ideal circumstances is somehow inherently evil or worthy of destruction.

I appreciate that the man has principles. He could probably stand to word things better if he wants to persuade others.

If all life is sacred, and because of that the state must force women to bear children they don't want, even from pregnancies that were caused by physical and emotional violation...

..then all life is sacred, and the state must take control of energy companies in order to provide adequate heating and electricity to all homes and hospitals to ensure that all people live in a comfortable domicile, including during extreme weather conditions, such as blizzards and heat waves

...then all life is sacred, and the state must take control of the health industry and guarantee medical care to all people who are in need of medical care, no matter what that medical care is and no matter the cost and mandate that doctors, nurses, and medical technicians provide it

...then all life is sacred, and the state must take control of agribusiness and ensure adequate food for all people and require people to work on farms to raise crops and on ranches to raise livestock so that everybody may be provided with the amount of food they need to survive

...then all life is sacred, and the state must take control of the housing industry, and provide adequate domiciles to all people so that people have a physical space of safety and privacy where they are not endanger of environmental or other threats and force people to act as construction workers to ensure there is enough of a labor force for the housing need of all the people

...then all life is sacred, and the state must take control of the clothing industry, and provide adequate clothing - including weather gear, footwear, and any kind of safety helmets needed to ensure that people are adequately provided with clothing good enough to protect them from day-to-day environmental hazards and mandate that people labor to provide enough individual pieces of clothing to all people

...then all life is sacred, and public mass transportation systems must be developed to curtail individual traffic accidents, and such public mass transportation systems must be developed enough to prevent accidents, and people must be required to research, develop, and build such systems or face criminal liability.

...then all life is sacred and capital punishment is a moral wrong no matter what actions someone had done against another because when we say "all life is sacred" that includes all who are living, no matter what the quality of that life is.

So if we are going to have the state mandate that women provide life to one they do not want to provide life to, then all others should be required to provide life to all others if we are to maintain the ideals of the sanctity of life to everyone.
 
no i didnt want "her" dead and thats 100% fact nor did I wish death on her, your funny

So killing her is not killing her then or is it that because she was unborn that you wouldn't be killing her and therefore she wouldn't be dead. :D

nothing to feel guilty about at all that would be stupid lol why would i feel guilty about thinkin it would have been the right move to not have a kid with someone I didnt think was ready nor was i, it was 100% the right thought and its been proven at this point since i have sole custody.

Wishing she was aborted is wishing her to be dead. Sure you changed your mind when you got the chance to meet her and know her, but that doesn't change what you thought. I can't say anything more because of the warning, but that is the truth.

As for you having custody, that has no play on what I'm talking about.
 
1.)So killing her is not killing her then or is it that because she was unborn that you wouldn't be killing her and therefore she wouldn't be dead. :D



2.)Wishing she was aborted is wishing her to be dead. Sure you changed your mind when you got the chance to meet her and know her, but that doesn't' change what you thought. I can't say anything more because of the warning, but that is truth.

3.)As for you having custody, that has no play on what I'm talking about.

1.) there was no "her" to be killed or to wish death on, FACT lol
2.) 100% wrong again, there was no "her" and what you posted is 100% not true LOL
3.) actually it does because you are trying, and failing, to criticizing what my decision was at the time but it was based on logic and my having 100% sole custody plays right into that :shrug:

as usual you are simply wrong.
 
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1.) there was no "her" to be killed or to wish death on, FACT lol

So she didn't exist. Then what exactly were you supporting aborting? I don't know how you abort something that doesn't exist, but I'm assuming you do. Seems like it would be impossible though.

2.) 100% wrong again, there was no "her" and what you posted is 100% not true LOL

So are you saying her gender wasn't decided and she didn't exist? On both accounts then you would be wrong.

3.) actually it does because you are trying, and failing, to criticizing what my decision was at the time but it was based on logic and my having 100% sole custody plays right into that :shrug:

Actually having custody doesn't mean anything when talking about how you felt about your child at the time. Your argument is basically saying a legal decision that affects only today has something to do with your feelings of the past. That makes no sense, sorry.

as usual you are simply wrong.

As usual I made no mistakes on my conclusions.
 
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1.)So she didn't exist. Then what exactly were you supporting aborting? I don't know how you abort something that doesn't exist, but I'm assuming you do. Seems like it would be impossible though.



2.)So are you saying her gender wasn't decided and she didn't exist? On both accounts then you would most likely be wrong.



3.)Actually having custody doesn't mean anything when talking about how you felt about your child at the time. Your argument is basically saying a legal decision that affects only today has something to do with your feelings of the past. That makes no sense, sorry.



4.)As usual I made no mistakes on my conclusions.

1.) no "she" didnt :shrug: this is 100% fact and I would LOVE for you to prove otherwise LOL
2.) nope I didnt say that, its more stuff you are making up lol
3.) wrong again, it 100% does and the reality is thats MY decision, its not one YOU can make but thats a problem you have, you want to make decesions for people.

The fact is that me having sole custody is 100% related and supports my decision because what "I" feel bad and guilty about is that she is here in an enviroment with one parent and had to go what she went through and still has too.

She is doing great and i give her 110% of me but my assumption was 100% right about not wanting to have a child because the time wasnt right, neither of us were ready and it wouldnt be a good decision.

so your assumption was wrong it makes perfect logical reality based sense, so theres nothing for you to be sorry about LMAO

4.) im sure YOU think that but facts disagree with you as usual.

It be nice if you could just be honest and realize the what opinion vs fact is and then also realize how far your opinion can actually reach and what its real world impact is.
 
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1.) no "she" didnt :shrug: this is 100% fact and I would LOVE for you to prove otherwise LOL

So what you are saying is that when you were thinking it was good to have her aborted that there was nothing to abort. That makes a whole lot of sense.

2.) nope I didnt say that, its more stuff you are making up lol

What is this in response too?

3.) wrong again, it 100% does and the reality is thats MY decision, its not one YOU can make but thats a problem you have, you want to make decesions for people.

Again, what is this in response too?

The fact is that me having sole custody is 100% related and supports my decision because what "I" feel bad and guilty about is that she is here in an enviroment with one parent and had to go what she went through and still has too.

I'm sorry, but its obvious to me that you are trying to connect your feelings for her at that time to your feelings towards her now. At the time you wished she was never born and now you wish that both parents were around and loved her as you do. They are not one in the same, sorry.
 
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