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Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

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No, it's not. Quote for us - here's the 2012 GOP platform. I'm sure it's in the platform the opposition invented to characterize the GOP platform (parrotted as truth by every partisan out there), but be honest, you've never even read the actual GOP platform have you?

Taken right out of the platform:

Faithful to the "self-evident" truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion or fund organizations which perform or advocate it and will not fund or subsidize health care which includes abortion coverage. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life. We oppose the non-consensual withholding or withdrawal of care or treatment, including food and water, from people with disabilities, including newborns, as well as the elderly and infirm, just as we oppose active and passive euthanasia and assisted suicide.

No exceptions for rape, incest, the life of the mother...etc. The GOP platform opposes Abortion under every circumstance.
 
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I haven't really seen many people on this thread actually agree with Mourdock's comment. I, at least, have only been arguing that Mourdock was being logically consistent and that he didn't necessarily mean god intended rape itself.

O, I know, Anagram. I said the very same thing myself in my first post on this thread.

Don't worry; I'm not planning to have any man on this thread tarred and feathered, though this Indiana fool should stay the hell away from me.

LOL.
 
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Taken right out of the platform:

Faithful to the "self-evident" truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion or fund organizations which perform or advocate it and will not fund or subsidize health care which includes abortion coverage. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life. We oppose the non-consensual withholding or withdrawal of care or treatment, including food and water, from people with disabilities, including newborns, as well as the elderly and infirm, just as we oppose active and passive euthanasia and assisted suicide.

No exceptions for rape, incest, the life of the mother...etc. The GOP platform opposes Abortion under every circumstance.

And where does it say they oppose those exceptions (what you orginally stated) or that there will be no exceptions?

You never read the platform, you assumed from your bias and what you've heard in the echo chamber. Nice try, no cigar.
 
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And where does it say they oppose those exceptions (what you orginally stated) or that there will be no exceptions?

You never read the platform, you assumed from your bias and what you've heard in the echo chamber. Nice try, no cigar.

READ THE FRIGGIN PLATFORM. They have eliminated any exceptions. Please pay attention if you want to participate.
 
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Do you *need* the Bible or God to decide not to steal, lie, covet, murder, and obey your parents (if they're worth obeying, of course - some aren't) . . . do you need God telling you to do those things in order to actually do those things?

no - I don't think you do.

And what's with this: "I said earlier that God's intentions doesn't matter to us and that we need to obey his commands."

I say it absolutely matters what his intentions are if I'm suppose to govern my life according to his whims and will - eh? I'm not in the habit of jumping when random stranger say jump without giving me a good reason for it.

(the usual bit goes here - how I don't even believe God exists but still live life as a moral individual)

I didn't say you needed the Bible to not steal or commit sins. What the Bible can do is change how you feel about sinning.

You say you are moral. A business man who kills someone affecting his business is also moral. Because he feels inside that its just business not personal. Everyone is moral if they feel they are a "good" person. If you have read the bible it talks a lot more then just believing God is real. Even the demons believe and fear him...if you aren't even on their level then you are in extremely bad shape according to the Bible.

Study and Exposition of Romans 1:18-32 | Bible.org - Worlds Largest Bible Study Site

this talks about people suppressing the truth with their sin.

Having sex before you are married is considered immoral since the beginning of time, so are you telling me you waited? You said you are moral. But you are just saying you are moral based on what YOU think is moral. In that case everyone is some what moral and no one is wrong. Killing people is moral if you are killing only bad people. Stealing from major companies is moral because they rip off people. The list goes on.

As far as God's plans. I mean we shouldn't be trying to figure that out and question it. But rather do what he says so he can use us in it. God will get done what he wants done. If not through you, then he will find some one else who will obey him. This has happened to me many times, as I did not step up to the plate and before my very eyes, some one else did.
 
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B) What does the right to control your own body have to do with being able to legally get away with killing another human being and destroying their body, as is the case in abortion?

Everything when that other human being is growing inside your body. One would think this would go without saying.
 
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The GOP continues to back itself into a corner of a poor, Southern, white protestants voting for them in elections with rich white protestants backing them monetarily. It's a losing strategy with changing demographics.
 
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Everything when that other human being is growing [
b]inside your body[/b]. One would think this would go without saying.

It does not go without saying.

It does not go with saying.

It just flat out does not go. "It" is an illogical talking point that has never made sense.

A mammalian offspring's body being inside it's mother's body prior to birth does not suggest that there is somehow only one body. I've seen this folly numerous times - pro-abortion folks dismissing a living human being as somehow not alive, not human, or merely a part of another body.

The bodies of the children we create are not us and they are not our property...
 
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We have ways to deal with that do we not?

Yes. That way is to allow women to exercise their reproductive rights.
 
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Btw, since when is emotional trauma of a crime an excuse to kill? I must of missed something somewhere because I can't remember when that was fine. I surely can't think of how it makes sense either.

We do it all the time with our capital punishment of criminals.
 
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The bodies of the children we create are not us and they are not our property...

If I cannot remove unwanted organisms from my body, I do not have control over my body.
 
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It does not go without saying.

It does not go with saying.

It just flat out does not go. "It" is an illogical talking point that has never made sense.

A mammalian offspring's body being inside it's mother's body prior to birth does not suggest that there is somehow only one body. I've seen this folly numerous times - pro-abortion folks dismissing a living human being as somehow not alive, not human, or merely a part of another body.

The bodies of the children we create are not us and they are not our property...

Your craven desire to oppress and control women and girls has been duly noted.

Please resume your seat in the 7th century; if we need ya, we'll be in touch.

Thanks, and have a lovely, insemination-free day.
 
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The GOP continues to back itself into a corner of a poor, Southern, white protestants voting for them in elections with rich white protestants backing them monetarily. It's a losing strategy with changing demographics.

It kinda depends. The GOP lusts after hispanic voters, and many are devout Catholics. I do not think Americanized hispanics will accept the authoritarian POV on abortion (or euthanasia, etc.) and that they'll reject this control just like 90% of non-hispanic American Catholics have. (But I could be wrong.)

Personally, I think this is a loser strategy and I wish they had gone down the "fiscal conservative" path instead. I feel completely alienated from the GOP these days and I DO NOT belong over with the Democrats, as I don't think money is magical fairy dust.

Tis "politically lonely" for people like me these days.
 
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Gezzzzzzzz, I thought that there was only "One Pat Robertson"...who has daily back and forth conversations with God. Seems the country is full of em. God must love a few and hate a whole bunch of people by not talking to everybody...you know...like a good parent does.

So many people are claiming to know exactly what God is doing, the reasons God is doing them, and the next thing coming is "How God is Doing what God Does!"
 
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Your craven desire to oppress and control women and girls has been duly noted.

Please resume your seat in the 7th century; if we need ya, we'll be in touch.

Thanks, and have a lovely, insemination-free day.

I'm not a coward - I'm quite direct in my support for human rights. I am a gender equitist. I don't want to "control" anyone.

If you would, please, have the sort of day that people who perpetuate such ridiculous slander deserve.
 
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I'm not a coward. I am a gender equitist. I don't want to "control" anyone.

If you would please, have the sort of day that people who perpetuate such ridiculous slander deserve.

You believe in the repression of women, Jay...and that is a stone cold fact.
 
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Yes. That way is to allow women to exercise their reproductive rights.

So why then is emotional trauma still there or even worse after an abortion?

We do it all the time with our capital punishment of criminals.

Fair enough, but that is just defending one wrong with another.
 
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Everything when that other human being is growing inside your body. One would think this would go without saying.

One would think that it would go without saying that the right to your body doesn't including the killing of others for mere convenience. It's interesting how little people understand the right to your body.
 
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You believe in the repression of women, Jay...and that is a stone cold fact.

Please refrain from bad faith posting.

Please don't call your defamation - not just unsubstantiated opinion, but knowingly-made defamation - "facts."

I believe strongly in human equality - that we are all created equal. I have never advocated repression.
 
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One would think that it would go without saying that the right to your body doesn't including the killing of others for mere convenience. It's interesting how little people understand the right to your body.

One would think that any concept of bodily sovereignty that was at all functional would include the right to remove unwanted organisms from it.
 
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Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, God intended it | Reuters



Honestly, I think it is a reasonable and somewhat consistent position, although I don't agree with it. From the standpoint of someone trying to get elected in a close race with an unusually strong Libertarian candidate to splinter the Republican vote, it was just a stupid thing to say though. If it plays anything like Todd Akin's comment did, Joe Donnelly will take the senate seat from the Republicans in Indiana. I'd pretty much given up hope for the Republicans to take the senate this year anyway. Things looking very good for the GOP in 2014 though.

So basically, he is saying that god intended for a woman to be raped?
 
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One would think that it would go without saying that the right to your body doesn't including the killing of others for mere convenience. It's interesting how little people understand the right to your body.

So possible death is just a mere inconvience?
 
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Please refrain from bad faith posting.

Please don't call your defamation - not just unsubstantiated opinion, but knowingly-made defamation - "facts."

I believe strongly in human equality - that we are all created equal. I have never advocated repression.

You can bull**** some of the people sometime...but not all of the people all of the time. Repression is control. You would - if you had the power - control the reproductive rights of every woman on the planet.
 
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He is in my home unbidden. His very presence is a violation.

I know that is what you think. You think that instead of calling the cops and having him removed the correct course of action is to shoot and kill him.
 
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One would think that any concept of bodily sovereignty that was at all functional would include the right to remove unwanted organisms from it.

If you are going to use the defense that its her body and therefore her right to abort than you have no idea how the right actually functions at all or how negative rights do for that matter. To say you have the right to kill another being with the right to your body is completely missing the point of what it means to begin with. To defend abortion with such an argument is saying you have the right to violate someone else's life and body because of your right to your body. That is not how it works at all. You can not use your right to your body in defense to kill another on face value. It is invalid nonsense that only someone completely ignorant on the ideas laid out in front them would use. The only way this argument even gets close to working is self defense, but we are not merely talking of self defense, are we?
 
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