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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    There's a big ****ing difference between not being allowed to kill someone, and being forced under penalty of law to carry an unwanted organism inside your body for nine months, allowing it to sustain itself from your own biological processes. You think women should be enslaved to the children in their wombs from the moment of conception which is why you are being accused-- quite rightly-- of considering women to be lesser beings and having no regard for their rights.

    And, of course, you're going to come back to this post with some idiotic screed about how pregnancy isn't slavery, ignoring the fact that any labor is slavery when it's forced at gunpoint. Have fun with that.
    exactly, thank you
    sadly your logic and fact will be wasted on some posters here
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    There's a big ****ing difference between not being allowed to kill someone, and being forced under penalty of law to carry an unwanted organism inside your body for nine months, allowing it to sustain itself from your own biological processes.
    Far from a big ****ing difference, there's no practical difference considering that abortion is killing someone, and no, no one should be allowed to kill another human in aggression. There's not much BIG ****ING DIFFERENCE between killing someone in aggression and killing someone in aggression.

    You think women should be enslaved to the children in their wombs from the moment of conception which is why you are being accused-- quite rightly-- of considering women to be lesser beings and having no regard for their rights.
    Slavery? Glad you brought that up. Why no, I don't think that the human beings we create are our subhuman property to be killed on a whim, because that would be like slavery and it would be morally disgusting, bigoted, and wrong. Good thing I don't believe in treating any class of humans as lesser beings like some people apparently do.

    Hey, by the way - you know what isn't like slavery? Not being allowed to kill someone.

    But thanks for the flamebait.
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    1.)Far from a big ****ing difference, There's no practical difference considering that abortion is killing someone, and no, no one should be allowed to kill another human in aggression.



    2.)Slavery? Glad you brought that up. Why no, I don't think that the human beings we create are our subhuman property to be killed on a whim, because that would be like slavery and it would be morally disgusting, bigoted, and wrong. Good thing I don't believe in treating any class of humans as lesser beings like some people apparently do.

    Hey, by the way - you know what isn't like slavery? Not being allowed to kill someone.

    But thanks for the flamebait.
    1.)only someone totally dishonest and void of reality would have that opinion, its a HUGE difference and facts support that.

    the solution is easy all you have to do is prove they are the same, we all can EASILY prove they are CLEARLY different. Let me know when you can fight against FACTS

    2.) actually you do believe in treat women lesser, that fact is proven because you want the government to make them slaves for 9 months, and I agree you wanting to do that is morally disgusting, bigoted, and wrong.

    another post another fail.

    you view women as a lesser and simply cant admit it.

    other can, there are others that are prolife and just simply admit they want the ZEF to have more rights, they can admit it because they are honest and have integrity

    I can admit it for myself, sometimes i want the woman to have more rights sometimes i want the ZEF to have more rights

    why?

    because there cant be equal rights, its impossible a fact you ignore
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, God intended it | Reuters



    Honestly, I think it is a reasonable and somewhat consistent position, although I don't agree with it. From the standpoint of someone trying to get elected in a close race with an unusually strong Libertarian candidate to splinter the Republican vote, it was just a stupid thing to say though. If it plays anything like Todd Akin's comment did, Joe Donnelly will take the senate seat from the Republicans in Indiana. I'd pretty much given up hope for the Republicans to take the senate this year anyway. Things looking very good for the GOP in 2014 though.
    Here-in lies the problem with politics. You have to say stupid ridiculous **** to get elected.

    All this does is reflect on the stupidity of the American voter.

    And in this case reflects very badly on the right-wing voter.. For the reason that it is complete utter stupidity. "GOD" willed you to get raped.. give me a ****ing break... and then birth your rape child... have christians lost their ****ing minds?

    This topic just about throws me over the edge.
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Does the law permit born human females to be killed in aggression? No.
    Does the law permit unborn humans of either gender to be killed in aggression? Yes.

    Hey, that's inequality. Gosh, but I thought all men were created equal and governments need to treat everyone fairly. We've got a problem here.



    So let's look at this impossible scenario. One group can be killed in aggression on a whim, and the other can't. Hrm. Hrrrrrrm. Gee, this a toughie.

    I wonder how we could achieve equality, and respect both parties' right to life. Boy, I don't know. It's so complicated.


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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Does the law permit born human females to be killed in aggression? No.
    Does the law permit unborn humans of either gender to be killed in aggression? Yes.

    Hey that's inequality.


    So let's look at this impossible scenario. So one group can be killed in aggression on a whim, and the other can't. Hrm. Gee, this a toughie.

    I wonder how we could achieve equality, and respect both parties's right to life. Boy, I don't know. It's so complicated.

    LMAO do you actually think your broken dishonest logic fools anybody who is honest and educated? it doesnt LMAO

    sorry fact remains there is no way to grant equal rights in this case, its IMPOSSIBLE and no amount of your crying will change that fact, punch your keyboard, kick you cat, facts dont care about your feelings.

    honest people simply admit these facts
    then they admit that they want the woman or the zef to have more rights.

    in my case, in the majority of situations i want more rights to be with the woman, she is an already born viable living human being who is also a citizen so i pick her to be greater and the ZEF to be the lesser since the ZEF is an unknown. Also I could never force women against thier will for 9 whole months to be slaves IMO im just not that demented and evil.

    But there are indeed situations where i would pick the ZEF to have more rights and the women to be the lesser. this happens much later in the pregnancy when the ZEF is actually viable and the women wouldnt be tortured for no reason.

    Since im honest and understand facts and reality this is EASY for me to admit these truths, its called rational and integrity.

    I simply don understand why you deny these facts and cant accept the reality that you do in fact view the woman as the lesser and you pick the ZEF over her.

    I asked you probably 100 times to factually prove otherwise you never have, wonder why?
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    It is not impossible to respect the rights of all parties. It is not only simple, it is the government's duty.

    As usual, your definition of "fact" is as specious as your definition of "aggression," "slavery," "parasite" or any other part of the English language you abuse on a daily basis. You don't know the words and concepts you're using, but then, you don't need to in order to get your jollies posting in bad faith.

    If you want to, you may admit to being a bigot and an opponent of human equality if you want to, treating some humans as lessers to be owned or killed based on something as arbitrary as age. I'm not like you, though. I'm better than that.

    So maybe that's your problem - you expect others to be as lousy as you are.

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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    1.)It is not impossible to respect the rights of all parties. It is not only simple, it is the government's duty.

    As usual, your definition of "fact" is as specious as your definition of "aggression," "slavery," "parasite" or any other part of the English language you abuse on a daily basis. You don't know the words and concepts you're using, but then, you don't need to in order to get your jollies posting in bad faith.

    If you want to, you may admit to being a bigot and an opponent of human equality if you want to, treating some humans as lessers to be owned or killed based on something as arbitrary as age. I'm not like you, though. I'm better than that.

    So maybe that's your problem - you expect others to be as lousy as you are.
    sorry in this case it is impossible that fact has been proven many times, you can accept it or deny it and look foolish and be wrong

    FACT: you view women as less
    FACT: you are against aggression unless that aggression is against the woman.


    again simply let me know when you have ANY fact to support otherwise

    your typical failed insults change nothing, they further expose you and your inability to logically and factually support your false claims.

    its shows how dishonest you are.

    its weird when respected, logical honest posters are asked to simply prove something they just do it, the provide facts and logic to back up their claims

    how come you never do that? you repeat your opinion over and over again lhoping somebody will mistake it for facts and then resort to being uncivil, lying and attacks all because of your own short comings. Its VERY humorous.

    i have no problem but it seems facts and honesty bother you, not my fault you cant accept your own evilness

    again, i ask you, please prove the above bolded statements wrong

    come on, teach me a lesson, put me in my place and prove me wrong?

    i can support my claims and prove the facts why cant you support yours?

    we are all waiting?
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    It is not impossible to respect the rights of all parties. It is not only simple, it is the government's duty.
    He would understand that if he understood rights, but he doesn't.

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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Does the law permit born human females to be killed in aggression? No.
    Does the law permit unborn humans of either gender to be killed in aggression? Yes.

    Hey, that's inequality. Gosh, but I thought all men were created equal and governments need to treat everyone fairly. We've got a problem here.



    So let's look at this impossible scenario. One group can be killed in aggression on a whim, and the other can't. Hrm. Hrrrrrrm. Gee, this a toughie.

    I wonder how we could achieve equality, and respect both parties' right to life. Boy, I don't know. It's so complicated.

    If the law required me to donate my heart to my child, it would THEN be an approximately fair comparison to any law which criminalizes abortion. It still wouldn't be totally fair, as not every child will need a new heart, and removing my heart would not take 9 months.

    Bottom line is, you value cell clusters more than you value ME, and I resent you deeply for it, Jay.

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