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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    The "victim" has absolutely no conscious awareness....and never did prior to being aborted.

    You're hyperbolizing reality to justify an archaic, poorly supported world view.

    It's rather sad, honestly.



    I think I see the problem - you're only focusing on physical pain meaning of "hurt," when that is not what I intended. I don't think you're just playing nonsense word games, and I will happily give you the benefit of the doubt. But you must know that by that standard, if I use enough anesthetic before I kill you, I have not hurt anyone.

    If I inflict a violent death upon you, I have wronged you, inflicted injury, harmed you, wronged you. Hurt you.



    Also, if "human rights need to be protected" is old-fashioned, then the new fashion kind of stinks.

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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Except for the victim who is violently killed, you'd be right. Which means you're not.
    LMAO such dishonest hyperbole

    I can play too

    what about the victim that is violently tortured, enslaved and forced to risk her life against her will and stripped of her rights freedoms and liberties??

    thats right she doesnt matter
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    If I inflict a violent death upon you, I have wronged you, inflicted injury, harmed you, wronged you. Hurt you.

    I think I see the problem - you're only focusing on physical pain meaning of "hurt." By that standard, if I use enough anesthetic before I kill you, I have not hurt anyone.


    If "human rights need to be protected" is old-fashioned to you, well, the new fashion kind of stinks.
    Your argument carries no weight at all. You cannot compare a fully aware self-sustaining human with a 12-week-old fetus. It is a logical fallacy of epic proportions and science (you know, actual facts instead of subjective bull****) back me up. Your point, on the other hand, has absolutely no factual support what so ever.
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    My arguments are based upon science and a belief in human rights, nothing more and nothing less.

    In terms of what matters from a human rights perspective, a "12 week old fetus" is unquestionably a living member of the species Homo sapiens. If all men are created equal, and possess unalienable rights, and governments exist to uphold these rights, then our government is derelict in its duty to unborn humans.

    So yes, I will happily continue to compare one human to a human of a different age to the extent that they are both human, and no human should be killed in aggression.

    If you want scientific facts, "fetus" is just one stage of life within the lifespan of one contiguous organism, and that organism never stops changing - growing and aging - from conception until death.
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    My arguments are based upon science and a belief in human rights, nothing more and nothing less.

    In terms of what matters from a human rights perspective, a "12 week old fetus" is unquestionably a living member of the species Homo sapiens. If all men are created equal, and possess unalienable rights, and governments exist to uphold these rights, then our government is derelict in its duty to unborn humans.
    parts of your post above have been proven FACTUALLY proven wrong many many times no need to go into that but you also put the human rights of the ZEF above the mothers human rights. Youd show integrity and honest to just admit that.

    it is impossible to grant equal rights in this case, IMPOSSIBLE and that fact has also been proven over and over again.
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    There are a lot of people who can only say "no" to those questions, and who nonetheless are still capable of displaying the barest shreds of empathy.
    This is true. I am pointing out what he is ignoring.
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    My arguments are based upon science and a belief in human rights, nothing more and nothing less.

    In terms of what matters from a human rights perspective, a "12 week old fetus" is unquestionably a living member of the species Homo sapiens. If all men are created equal, and possess unalienable rights, and governments exist to uphold these rights, then our government is derelict in its duty to unborn humans.

    So yes, I will happily continue to compare a human to a human to the extent that no human should be killed in aggression.

    If you want scientific facts, "fetus" is just one stage of life within the lifespan of one contiguous organism, and that organism never stops changing - growing and aging - from conception until death.

    "All men are created equal" and constitutional protections are extremely limited for anybody under the age of 18, including pre-born fetuses.
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Your argument carries no weight at all. You cannot compare a fully aware self-sustaining human with a 12-week-old fetus. It is a logical fallacy of epic proportions and science (you know, actual facts instead of subjective bull****) back me up. Your point, on the other hand, has absolutely no factual support what so ever.
    this will ignored because the bottom line is he doesnt care and it doesnt matter to him.

    to him ZEF>Woman, the woman is second
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    "All men are created equal" and constitutional protections are extremely limited for anybody under the age of 18, including pre-born fetuses.
    We're not talking about driving a car or voting here, tess, just the right to exist free from the violence of others. And that right is natural and unalienable.

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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    We're not talking about driving a car or voting here, tess, just the right to exist free from the violence of others. And that right is natural and unalienable.
    The supreme court disagrees with you.
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