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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    OK, so the "They made the choice already" doesn't apply then. Because they didn't make the choice already.
    Correct. One cannot be held accountable from a personal responsibility standpoint when one is coerced or infringed upon. That is a typically very strong argument against abortion that does not apply in the exceedingly rare event of a rape pregnancy.

    Applies very well to the overwhelming majority of cases, however.

    Your position is that they should be required to carry around and feed a person they didn't in any way choose to have there. Why?
    My position is that the rapist inflicted harm and the rapist should be punished.

    The unborn child has done nothing wrong and you cannot justify aggression against a third party for something someone else did to you. Pregnancy is self-limiting and it is not a disease. There is no need to kill anyone. I don't think the solution to a problem that began with violence is for the victim to lash out even more violently at someone else.

    I think aggressive homicide is a worse thing to perpetrate against another innocent human being than rape. Generally, our system of criminal penalties reflects this.

    It would be completely understandable if the mother wanted to give the child up for adoption.
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    And your counter-question was quite plain. What happens to most humans who want to kill other humans?



    For the record, I'm neither lesser nor enslaved in any way because I'm not permitted to kill other humans in aggression. That dog just won't hunt. Sorry.
    thats good to bad that is absolutely meaningless to the abortion debate. it holds no logical reference to abortion at all.
    Its the most dishonest and inane failed analogy i have ever heard LMAO

    nobody is trying to make the dog hunt besides you

    tell me how not murdering your neighbor forces you to be possible be mentally and physically damaged, tell me how you LOSE rights, freedoms and liberties, tell me how you are forced to make decesion for 9 months in favor of your neighbe and with your neighbors best interest in mind even if it means risking your own life, tell me how your neighbor is forcing you to risk your life against you will.

    when those things become true about the neighbor you cant MURDER get back to me. Your dishonest and ignorance of reality is hilarious.

    comparing abortion to killing your neighbor will always be illogical and void of reality and facts. It fails everytime on many levels.

    better yet, just answer this question.

    Can i force you against your will to risk your life?

    so now do you have the balls and integrity to honestly answer the question or will you dodge it AGAIN LMAO
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post

    It would be completely understandable if the mother wanted to give the child up for adoption.
    It's also completely understandable if the mother wanted to abort.
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    OK, so the "They made the choice already" doesn't apply then. Because they didn't make the choice already.

    Your position is that they should be required to carry around and feed a person they didn't in any way choose to have there. Why?
    because the woman doesnt matter only the ZEF, the ZEF is more important to him.
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Correct. One cannot be held accountable from a personal responsibility standpoint when one is coerced or infringed upon. That is a typically very strong argument against abortion that does not apply in the exceedingly rare event of a rape pregnancy.

    Applies very well to the overwhelming majority of cases, however.



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    LMAO how convenient, "it doesnt apply here" LOL totally hypocritical
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    It's also completely understandable if the mother wanted to abort.
    exactly, to force woman to carry a ZEF to term against her will would be like raping her twice
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    It's also completely understandable if the mother wanted to abort.
    Technically? Yes. It is somewhat understandable for a victim to be so traumatized by what has occurred to them that they can be irrational and thus be tempted to do awful things, even sometimes to those who have not actually wronged them.

    It is not understandable or permissible for them to proceed to do them, however.

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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Yep. A republican said it, so all republicans MUST agree with it right? The guy is an idiot. Get over it.
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    When I concede that one very strong rhetorical strategy against abortion cannot be applied to the scenario of a rape pregnancy, and then I proceed to not use that rhetorical strategy, that is "hypocrisy" only to one who does not know what the word means.

    Cheers.

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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    When I concede that one very strong rhetorical strategy against abortion cannot be applied to the scenario of a rape pregnancy, and then I proceed to not use that rhetorical strategy, that is "hypocrisy" only to one who does not know what the word means.

    Cheers.
    translation: you still cant logical or factually back up your claim. Cheers indeed!!

    ih and yes it is
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