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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I think the positions these Republicans take on these matters are based on their religious positions on Divine Providence, Free Will and Predestination. Depending on whether the speaker's faith is based on Catholic, Lutheran or Calvinistic theology their specific takes on rape will differ. The idea that a rape could be a part of God's intention, I believe, probably stems from a Calvinistic position of believing that human Free Will does not exist, what's known as a determinist philosphical position. The problem with this line of logic for those adhering to Calvinist position is that whatever happens, due to God's total perfection, omniscience and omnipotence, is his intention. So, the abortions that have and do take place are also a part of his intention too.

    Catholic takes on Free Will, as best explained by Thomas Aquinas, argue that Free Will is compatible with Divine Providence, and hence, I doubt whether the strongest Catholic anti-abortionist would take the position that rape is God's intention.
    I don't think they're saying rape is Gods intention (this comes from not having read the OP at all, just the thread title), rather that God wants the life conceived, regardless of how it was conceived.
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    That we should force a woman who has been raped to endure the pregnancy brought on by her rapist. That is wrong, period.
    Why is finite suffering worth more than the life of a child?
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Why is finite suffering worth more than the life of a child?
    Who says that the suffering is finite?
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Not wanting an innocent human being to be killed - literally for the sins of the father - is not forcing torture on anyone.
    Except for the person who is being tortured by the pregnancy, who would have had options if not for someone else's misguided concern for the insensate life that is growing within her body. Funny how the pro-life position always seems to forget about the woman carrying the pregnancy, her well-being, and the rights she's supposedly entitled to.

    Rape babies are just the reductio ad absurdium for why the pro-life position is morally unconscionable on its face.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Rarely, some jerkwad who belongs in prison will force sex on someone.
    One in four women. One in sex men. And those statistics are believed to be under-reported. Hardly rare.

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Who says that the suffering is finite?
    YourStar did, she mentioned suffering a pregnancy, that's only 9 months.
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I don't think they're saying rape is Gods intention (this comes from not having read the OP at all, just the thread title), rather that God wants the life conceived, regardless of how it was conceived.
    If that's the case, then the benevolent nature of God must be questioned.

    Also, the United States of America does not make policy as to what it's citizens can or cannot do based on the guesses of the whim of a supposed deity.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Why is finite suffering worth more than the life of a child?
    What Sam said.
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    YourStar did, she mentioned suffering a pregnancy, that's only 9 months.
    But there's still emotional trauma to the mother with that that can continue long after the pregnancy and birth.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    If that's the case, then the benevolent nature of God must be questioned.
    Not really, God didn't make the rape happen, He merely places the same value on all innocent life.
    Also, the United States of America does not make policy as to what it's citizens can or cannot do based on the guesses of the whim of a supposed deity.
    Yes it does, US policy is determined by policy makers, most of whom assume to know the will of a supposed deity.
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Except for the person who is being tortured by the pregnancy
    Naked hyperbole, but go on...

    who would have had options if not for someone else's misguided concern for the insensate life that is growing within her body.
    Well there's always options. It's just that contracting out to kill a third party should never be legal and usually isn't, and if caught doing it you've so clearly gone off the reservation that you probably deserve to spend the rest of your life in prison, at best.

    As far as "misguided," hey throughout human history, there's so often been a class of humans that are minimized and denied equality and legal protections under the guise of thinly veiled bigotry that it's hard to keep track of them all. Suffice to say that I'm sure defenders of those respective status quos found challenges to them misguided as well, as hey, those folks don't count.

    Funny how the pro-life position always seems to forget about the woman carrying the pregnancy, her well-being, and the rights she's supposedly entitled to.
    I have never understood how anyone gets that as a takeaway.

    I also don't think you should go shoot some random person on the street. By thinking that, have I forgotten about you? Do I not care about your well-being? Have I limited your rights?

    Doesn't seem to follow, does it? Just seems like a unsupported, unrelated group of assertions, doesn't it?
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