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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    TO BE CLEAR

    when I say murder im including all forms of illegal killing including manslaughter
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    thanks Pinkie but its no sweat really, its common place of certain posters to be uncivil, dishonest etc and im used to it. Its also no big deal since he was simply wrong and facts disagreed with him. While I agree its not the proper place to go I could never get offended or angry on a message board but hey, thats just me
    It's a big deal to me -- our loved ones should be off-limits in trash talk about abortion.

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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Ok Pinkie. I'm sorry.
    I believe you, Henrin. You're no troll.

    Apology accepted, at least by me.

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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    TO BE CLEAR

    when I say murder im including all forms of illegal killing including manslaughter
    I agree, except that there is no such thing as a "negligent rape"; any rape resulting in death is (strictly speaking) Murder One.

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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    So, your POV is that abortion is wrong but you would not support criminalizing it? If so, I have no heartburn with that -- I don't think I'd have aborted if I had gotten pregnant after my divorce, as I had the resources to adequately raise another child. So I do not think abortion is morally correct in every case, either.

    As long as we agree that ONLY the pregnant woman should decide what HER morals dictate, we agree.
    I don't agree with criminalizing for two reasons.

    1. The government hasn't shown me it understands proper restraints and an issue like this dictates that it not only understands them, but practices them.

    2. I'm not convinced it will make much of a positive difference, but I'm more than convinced it will result in many negative consequences. While I want to protect human life at the maximum of my abilities I'm not sold this is the way to do it.

    Still, I can not join in with people that say it should be a choice. That implies there is nothing wrong with it and its just a matter of choice if that is what people want. That would mean that certain right violations are just a matter of choice if you want to take part in them. I can not agree with such a premise.

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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    ooooooh, well yes and no, people are responsible for unintended consequences and i am fine with a manslaughter charge.

    I should have been more clear in my original question but thats why i used the word involuntary i was trying to point to involuntary manslaughter and i was simply including it in the murder charges.

    We were talking the same but different but the same lol
    Glad to see we agree on that.

    Rape is already a really tricky thing to prove in court. Too many cases happen where a guy has sex with a willing woman, the woman gets pregnant, then turns around and calls it rape to save face. On no planet can that be considered murder.
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    It's a big deal to me -- our loved ones should be off-limits in trash talk about abortion.
    well i agree with you point in general im just pointing out that for me i couldnt possible be offended in this situation. For me dishonesty had to impact.
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I assumed you brought up the eggshell skull reference to try to state that people are responsible for unintended consequences.

    My response is: Of course they are, nobody claimed they weren't. That's why he'd be charged with manslaughter and not just rape.
    No, no, no. Of course a DA can take a plea to a lesser charge, or undercharge a crime due to trial strategy, but academically speaking, the rapist who causes a death commits Murder One because the act that injured and caused death -- the rape -- was premeditated and intentional.

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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    well i agree with you point in general im just pointing out that for me i couldnt possible be offended in this situation. For me dishonesty had to impact.
    None of us is best served when we crawl in the gutter, and it can chill other posters who would otherwise join the debate.

    Plus, it debases all of us and it's just not morally right.

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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Glad to see we agree on that.

    Rape is already a really tricky thing to prove in court. Too many cases happen where a guy has sex with a willing woman, the woman gets pregnant, then turns around and calls it rape to save face. On no planet can that be considered murder.
    Whether the woman consented is certainly key to determining that a rape occurred, but there's no "accidental" sex act that could leave her pregnant.

    If she did consent to sex but not to being infected with a deadly STI, and she dies, it's Murder One.

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