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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Guess who said this:
    Guessing some right wing guru that Romney or Ryan sees as a hero and mentor..... that Rand chick?
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Guess who said this:
    All I know for sure is that I didn't.

    Anyway, my guess is Romney.

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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I don't think anyone here is scared of you. lol.



    While I believe that rape should have a very, very serious punishment, I don't think that murder could be charged in this scenario. It was an unforseen consequence. Manslaughter, perhaps. Murder, no. Murder has to have the killing itself be intentional.
    For legal purposes, you "intend" every direct consequence of your crime to the victim. In some states, your victim must die within a year and a day for you to be charged with murder of any sort (murder two, negligent homicide, manslaughter), but on these facts, the rapist is also a murderer.

    BTW, so is every American who worked to deprive women of their reproductive choices, but that's only a moral guilt. Legally, they get to skate.

    Funny how every time some authoritarian asshole comes up with a new law to control the behavior of others, the evil effects of that law never land on him, isn't it?


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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    There was obviously a her. Your daughters gender by the time you found out was already decided.



    If that is what you believe.



    No, the point of that was not about how good a parent you are.



    The only way you can deny my premise here is if you think she wasn't alive to begin with. Is that so?




    So you didn't want her aborted? That is not what you keep saying.



    Ok, so those were your concerns. The fact still remains that none of that changes that you wanted your daughter killed. Reasons for wanting an act done doesn't make the nature of the act change.
    Henrin, if you are accusing someone of wanting their own child or grandchild aborted IRL, that is WAY beyond the line no decent person should cross in a debate on abortion rights.

    Why do you anti-abortion types never notice when you wander off the decency reservation? Yet another reason your shrill cries of having staked out the moral high ground ring hollow.

    Meanwhile, reel it back in, brotherman. Attacking someone's family is a serious TOS violation.

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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    [COLOR="#cc0066"]Henrin, if you are accusing someone of wanting their own child or grandchild aborted IRL, that is WAY beyond the line no decent person should cross in a debate on abortion rights.
    Well you see, if you would open your eyes and read the words in front of you, you would note that he expressed exactly that. There doesn't need to be an "accusation" of something someone else directly admitted.

    But no, you're too busy having your completely delusional rant against positions I have never and will never take to notice.

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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Guessing some right wing guru that Romney or Ryan sees as a hero and mentor..... that Rand chick?
    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    All I know for sure is that I didn't.

    Anyway, my guess is Romney.
    The Euro-leftie gets the cigar.

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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    For legal purposes, you "intend" every direct consequence of your crime to the victim. In some states, your victim must die within a year and a day for you to be charged with murder of any sort (murder two, negligent homicide, manslaughter), but on these facts, the rapist is also a murderer.

    BTW, so is every American who worked to deprive women of their reproductive choices, but that's only a moral guilt. Legally, they get to skate.

    Funny how every time some authoritarian asshole comes up with a new law to control the behavior of others, the evil effects of that law never land on him, isn't it?

    Murder is almost never charged that way. If I stick out my foot to trip you as you walk by, and you fall, break your neck and die, I could be charged with assault and manslaughter. It's obvious that I did not intend to murder you by tripping you.

    If the woman died from wounds succumbed from the violence of the rape, then absolutely. But an unforseen medical complication due to pregnancy, not likely to be charged as murder.
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    The Euro-leftie gets the cigar.
    Now I am insulted, I am no leftie! Thats like calling Man City a bad team!


    p.s. Last night they were bad btw... not normally though!
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    [COLOR="#cc0066"]Henrin, if you are accusing someone of wanting their own child or grandchild aborted IRL, that is WAY beyond the line no decent person should cross in a debate on abortion rights.
    He said himself he wanted his daughter aborted, so I'm not accusing him of anything he didn't already say. Why is it out of line to just get him to realize what that means?


    Why do you anti-abortion types never notice when you wander off the decency reservation? Yet another reason your shrill cries of having staked out the moral high ground ring hollow.
    I don't know the rules of the decency reservation. They're constantly changing and I stopped checking the notices a long time ago.

    Meanwhile, reel it back in, brotherman. Attacking someone's family is a serious TOS violation.
    I'm not attacking his family.

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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Murder is almost never charged that way. If I stick out my foot to trip you as you walk by, and you fall, break your neck and die, I could be charged with assault and manslaughter. It's obvious that I did not intend to murder you by tripping you.

    If the woman died from wounds succumbed from the violence of the rape, then absolutely. But an unforseen medical complication due to pregnancy, not likely to be charged as murder.
    You are wrong. If that woman was infected with a deadly STI as a result of the rape and died, the rapist will be charged with murder. If her death is foreseeable but will take time, he might be charged with attempted murder.

    Pregnancy and the complications thereof are not "unforeseeable" or "indirect" consequences of rape when the rapist is the father.

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