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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

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    Everything is wrong with what he said.
    It's consistent, rape doesn't lessen the value of the life conceived.
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    It's consistent, rape doesn't lessen the value of the life conceived.
    Doesn't make it any less disgusting that it's consistent with their disgusting values.
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Seriously? Are people actually defending this position? Defending what that ignorant and vile human being said?

    Come on people. This is no joke. This is disgusting, appalling, and highly disturbing.

    He's running for office and people are supporting him?
    Yes, let's exclude from office every theist who believes "bad things must happen for a reason" as a solution to the problem of evil...

    Welp, there went most of the country.

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

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    Doesn't make it any less disgusting that it's consistent with their disgusting values.
    When did "Don't kill the innocent" become a disgusting value? Did I miss that meeting when society switched to the dark side?

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    When did "Don't kill the innocent" become a disgusting value? Did I miss that meeting when society switched to the dark side?
    The "Let's force a shattered woman to be tortured for 9 months" is a disgusting value.
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    I think the positions these Republicans take on these matters are based on their religious positions on Divine Providence, Free Will and Predestination. Depending on whether the speaker's faith is based on Catholic, Lutheran or Calvinistic theology their specific takes on rape will differ. The idea that a rape could be a part of God's intention, I believe, probably stems from a Calvinistic position of believing that human Free Will does not exist, what's known as a determinist philosphical position. The problem with this line of logic for those adhering to Calvinist position is that whatever happens, due to God's total perfection, omniscience and omnipotence, is his intention. So, the abortions that have and do take place are also a part of his intention too.

    Catholic takes on Free Will, as best explained by Thomas Aquinas, argue that Free Will is compatible with Divine Providence, and hence, I doubt whether the strongest Catholic anti-abortionist would take the position that rape is God's intention.
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

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    Doesn't make it any less disgusting that it's consistent with their disgusting values.
    Which is disgusting, that God values all life, or that life shouldn't be taken for convenience?
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Which is disgusting, that God values all life, or that life shouldn't be taken for convenience?
    That we should force a woman who has been raped to endure the pregnancy brought on by her rapist. That is wrong, period.
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

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    The "Let's force a shattered woman to be tortured for 9 months" is a disgusting value.
    Funny, by my values, saying things that so obviously misrepresent a situation is pretty disgusting. Who wants to "force" anyone to be "tortured?"


    Not wanting an innocent human being to be killed - literally for the sins of the father - is not forcing torture on anyone.

    Pregnancy sometimes happens when sex occurs. Rarely, some jerkwad who belongs in prison will force sex on someone. If these two events unfortunately align, the solution to the problem created by violence and wrongdoing is not more violence and wrongdoing.

    The rapist deserves punishment. The rapist caused the situation. The child has done nothing wrong. By hurting an innocent third party, more people make themselves into monsters that belong in prison. Saying that hurting innocent third parties is not permissible does not force anything on anyone, and yes I resent the hell out of that.

    I don't even believe in God, but we're far enough afield with comments like that and they warrant correction.
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The "Let's force a shattered woman to be tortured for 9 months" is a disgusting value.
    So it's not a disgusting value to kill an innocent party for the crimes of someone else? What exactly is the reason for this? Because the child is the result of it? Oh yeah, that logic is sound all right. My feelings warrant violence, yeah, my feelings. There is something fundamentally broken with your moral code.

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