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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Did you not want her dead? So you changed your mind, big whoop. You still wished death on your child. If I was you that would be something that i would always be aware of and feel guilty about.
    no i didnt want "her" dead and thats 100% fact nor did I wish death on her, your funny

    nothing to feel guilty about at all that would be stupid lol why would i feel guilty about thinkin it would have been the right move to not have a kid with someone I didnt think was ready nor was i, it was 100% the right thought and its been proven at this point since i have sole custody.
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Did you not want her dead? So you changed your mind, big whoop. You still wished death on your child. If I was you that would be something that i would always be aware of and feel guilty about.
    Indeed. I know would be wracked with guilt if I had tried to argue for my own kid to be killed. That was never on the table - we were scared, sure but we weren't evil and selfish.

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That would depend, but since you defended doing it for convenience, that is exactly what you are arguing for.
    No it isn't. What I am arguing for is women to have the legal right to choose what happens to their bodies, especially after a violation of their body by someone else.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

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    Indeed. I know would be wracked with guilt if I had tried to argue for my own kid to be killed. That was never on the table - we were scared, sure but we weren't evil and selfish.


    evil and selfish

    more like smart, logical and unselfish, thats proven by me having full custody
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

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    wow good job hugh i didnt even report anything, didnt think it ws worth it.
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I dunno... I'd say trying to force your beliefs on others in the manner you want to is pretty selfish when it doesn't affect you.
    When it suddenly becomes legal to wrong some minority group that doesn't include me, that doesn't technically affect me.

    It certainly violates my sense of fair play, my support for equality, my desire for a government that upholds human rights... but it doesn't affect me.



    In short... You are trying to define "selfish" as "having a desire to uphold the rights of others when I am not personally affected." Somehow, I do not think this will go well.

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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    When it suddenly becomes legal to wrong some minority group that doesn't include me, that doesn't technically affect me.

    It certainly violates my sense of fair play, my support for equality, my desire for a government that upholds human rights... but it doesn't affect me.

    You are trying to define "selfish" as "having a desire to uphold the rights of others." Somehow, I do not think this will go well.
    this example fails every time because logically its not a parallel. two sides to this coin and BOTH must be acknowledged, you ignore one sides and then falsely claim that you are doing good. You ignore the human rights of the woman and pretend you dont.

    Jet is spot on, both must be acknowledged.
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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    No it isn't. What I am arguing for is women to have the legal right to choose what happens to their bodies, especially after a violation of their body by someone else.
    Which would include for convenience.

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    Re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Do you mean aside from the indisputable fact that it objectively meets all of those criteria? Or how else did you want me to interpret this sentence?





    Look, at the end of the day, Mourdock said that all human life is sacred. A Christian said that he believes that all human life, regardless of its origins is sacred.

    This isn't worth a hub-bub.

    I would disagree with Mourdock only because I'm an atheist, and I think that nothing is sacred. I still that think that all human life has special value, as we are the only known sapient species. I also do not think that a human conceived in less than ideal circumstances is somehow inherently evil or worthy of destruction.

    I appreciate that the man has principles. He could probably stand to word things better if he wants to persuade others.
    If all life is sacred, and because of that the state must force women to bear children they don't want, even from pregnancies that were caused by physical and emotional violation...

    ..then all life is sacred, and the state must take control of energy companies in order to provide adequate heating and electricity to all homes and hospitals to ensure that all people live in a comfortable domicile, including during extreme weather conditions, such as blizzards and heat waves

    ...then all life is sacred, and the state must take control of the health industry and guarantee medical care to all people who are in need of medical care, no matter what that medical care is and no matter the cost and mandate that doctors, nurses, and medical technicians provide it

    ...then all life is sacred, and the state must take control of agribusiness and ensure adequate food for all people and require people to work on farms to raise crops and on ranches to raise livestock so that everybody may be provided with the amount of food they need to survive

    ...then all life is sacred, and the state must take control of the housing industry, and provide adequate domiciles to all people so that people have a physical space of safety and privacy where they are not endanger of environmental or other threats and force people to act as construction workers to ensure there is enough of a labor force for the housing need of all the people

    ...then all life is sacred, and the state must take control of the clothing industry, and provide adequate clothing - including weather gear, footwear, and any kind of safety helmets needed to ensure that people are adequately provided with clothing good enough to protect them from day-to-day environmental hazards and mandate that people labor to provide enough individual pieces of clothing to all people

    ...then all life is sacred, and public mass transportation systems must be developed to curtail individual traffic accidents, and such public mass transportation systems must be developed enough to prevent accidents, and people must be required to research, develop, and build such systems or face criminal liability.

    ...then all life is sacred and capital punishment is a moral wrong no matter what actions someone had done against another because when we say "all life is sacred" that includes all who are living, no matter what the quality of that life is.

    So if we are going to have the state mandate that women provide life to one they do not want to provide life to, then all others should be required to provide life to all others if we are to maintain the ideals of the sanctity of life to everyone.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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