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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Yes, and that is why civilized societies make abortions legally accessible.
    The word "civilized" in this case would detail protecting life from the aggression of others. What you are talking about is the exact opposite of that.

    Abortion is not about allowing a woman to kill whatever she pleases than to make her carry the child to term.

    Abortion is about a woman making a willful choice to terminate a pregnancy for whyever reason she chooses.
    Which as I said, is giving her a pass to kill the child for whatever way she chooses. I don't really understand why you decided to argue my point, but ok.

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    I have a honest question for everyone,

    say abortion was illegal and a woman was raped and the pregnancy killed her

    should the rapist now be charged with some type of murder? involuntary etc doesnt matter, should the rapist be charged with murder?
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The word "civilized" in this case would detail protecting life from the aggression of others. What you are talking about is the exact opposite of that.
    No, what I am talking about is allowing women to live their lives as they choose.



    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Which as I said, is giving her a pass to kill the child for whatever way she chooses. I don't really understand why you decided to argue my point, but ok.
    No, it's giving her a pass to terminate a pregnancy she doesn't want.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    If I cannot remove unwanted organisms from my body, I do not have control over my body.
    Sure you do. You just don't have control over the other body. Removing the other human kills them, and you can't own another human. You can't aggress against another human without violating their rights. Your rights always end where another's begins, and all men are created equal and possess certain human rights from the moment they come into being.

    Over 99% of the time, there was a point where your wants regarding engaging in actions that could obviously spontaneously create a new human had a time to be addressed. You chose to engage in behavior that creates kids, and then hey, guess what, you created a kid. Personal responsibility and accountability more than trumps the other concerns.



    The only time this rhetoric of yours has even potential relevance is with the fraction of a fraction of a percent of pregnancies that are claimed to be secondary to rape. And even then, it's still a weak basis for an argument. It's hard to say that one somehow loses control of their body because of pregnancy. Still, even with a weak basis, with enough demagoguery, a rape exception is hard to avoid as a compromise political position.

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    When two conjoined twins who cannot be separated because they have only one necessary vital organ, does one have a greater right than the other to the organs? Cannot one twin force the other to be killed? Why not? How is that different than a pregnant woman---two brains, two hearts.....what gives one brain and heart a moral right to destroy the other but would not give one conjoined twin the moral right to destroy the other?

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    1.)The word "civilized" in this case would detail protecting life from the aggression of others. What you are talking about is the exact opposite of that.



    2.)Which as I said, is giving her a pass to kill the child for whatever way she chooses. I don't really understand why you decided to argue my point, but ok.
    1.)so stripping a woman of rights, freedoms and liberties and then forcing her to risk her life and health against her will is not an aggression?
    riiiiiiiiiiiiight

    2.)and not giving her the choice is giving the government a pass to kill her she will be forced to risk her life
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]


    I wish more GOP policitians felt this strongly.

    Unfortunately most GOP politicians campaign as pro-life and then completely forget about the issue once they are inaugerated.

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    No, it's giving her a pass to terminate a pregnancy she doesn't want.
    1069 for all her failings always had an interesting argument about this.

    And it was basically, especially in the case of rape.

    If the government can force you to carry that organism inside of you against your will, force you to carry it to term, force you to give birth to it and then force you to raise it, than essentially it means women have no bodily Sovereignty whatsoever and were basically child bearers of the state.

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    People will do as they please regardless what the law says....can we forget about this now. There is to many people replying at once with different things. I think I read something earlier about a parrot? anyways. Enough guys.

    Everything changes when it happens to YOU. guy screws girl. She gets pregnant. HES LIKE OH **** ABORT. She said OMGSH My mom wants to be a grandma I can't get rid of it, its my baby! OR vice versa. For example. I don't even believe in abortion, and if my girlfriend got pregnant I would probly tell her to abort if she didn't want to have it. I'm not ready to be a dad in my opinion. SO i would change my views at the moment when faced with it. Even tho the right thing to do is be a man and handle my business and take responsibility for my actions.

    The bible is full of amazing information. The reason God says to be married before you have sex is because if you are married you are more then likely ready for children if you took that step. Which means you will be ok if that happens. God is just trying to protect his children, not stop them from having fun.

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    No, what I am talking about is allowing women to live their lives as they choose.
    Yes, and in order to do that they are getting a pass to inflict violence on others. The only way that this could be civilized is if she was going to die without doing it. Convenience, in which you are arguing for, is just permitting violence for nothing more than the chance to inflict violence.


    No, it's giving her a pass to terminate a pregnancy she doesn't want.
    Which is giving her a pass to kill the child, just because she doesn't want it around.

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