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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's more philosophical than dogmatic. It's kind of nice to be able to disagree without it devolving into "Well, you're just a socialist pig." I'm very happy when some people can stay adult about the whole thing.
    Then you'd be disappointed in me, since I have been foaming at the mouth over this crap since like 6:30 this morning, when I first read about it.

    What next? Incest victims must carry to term, even if they would be at risk of suicide? Men get to "farm" women?

    What stupid, ignorant, woman-hating crap will some GOP freak of nature say next?

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Right now, there's a line the legislature cannot pass. If Romney is elected, he'll pack the Supreme Court and women may well lose their reproductive rights.

    Remember to VOTE, ladies and those who love them.
    How is he going to pack the court? The more liberal justices getting long in the tooth can hold out another four years if they want. Heck, if they trusted Obama they'd have retired already.

    Obama has already appointed two justices, you're not afraid he'll "pack the court". Try to think outside the one issue box.

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Then you'd be disappointed in me, since I have been foaming at the mouth over this crap since like 6:30 this morning, when I first read about it.

    What next? Incest victims must carry to term, even if they would be at risk of suicide? Men get to "farm" women?

    What stupid, ignorant, woman-hating crap will some GOP freak of nature say next?
    It is a pretty ignorant thing to say. I'm not less appalled by it, just letting myself get drawn into philosophical stuff.


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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Then you'd be disappointed in me, since I have been foaming at the mouth over this crap since like 6:30 this morning, when I first read about it.

    What next? Incest victims must carry to term, even if they would be at risk of suicide? Men get to "farm" women?

    What stupid, ignorant, woman-hating crap will some GOP freak of nature say next?
    I haven't really seen many people on this thread actually agree with Mourdock's comment. I, at least, have only been arguing that Mourdock was being logically consistent and that he didn't necessarily mean god intended rape itself.

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by varium103 View Post
    Woah guys. Way to much goin on here. And you fail to see anything straight. Bad things happen to people. Why? Because things happen. People make bad choices.
    I said earlier that God's intentions doesn't matter to us and that we need to obey his commands. One of you said we don't need to live by those. Well first of all most people think the bible is full of DON'T DOs. Don't do this. Don't do that. Rather they are warnings for what can happen to you if you do do them. God is trying to protect us here. Lets stay basic though because I know many of you don't know the bible. 10 commandments. VERY BASIC. If everyone in America lived by those. Do you think we would have a better country? Don't kill, don't steal, don't lie, don't covet, obey your parents etc. If you disagree then I this is just more personal reasoning that you don't want to believe in God and not having real logic.

    They are going to happen whether you want them to or not. If you fail to see what good comes out of something bad thats your own fault.

    I ran from the police once and spent 6 days in jail. My mistake, my consequence. That is a bad choice that led to a bad result. But actually I met some amazing people in jail, one I actually invited to church with me when he got out and he really did hit me up. I also learned why I never want to do wrong again to return to jail. So you have a choice. To look at everything negative. Or you can see what good came out of your situation.

    I see a lot of you talking about morality and what not. I don't see any of you talking about the soliders who go on the front lines for civilians to basically be sacrificed for you to live in peace. But since that directly benefits you, its ok. Throwing them to the dogs is ok right? Cus thats what they as military signed up for. To die.

    One thing I love about the Bible is how scary it is as much as it is amazing. The bible says God takes no pleasure in the suffering of others. But he is a just and fair God.

    Choose whatever you want to believe. It's not my job to make you believe but rather lay it out infront of you so you can't say no one told you when you are before God. Every tongue will confess and every knee will bow. Oh how I love this. God get's the last word. I guess the only way to find out, is to die. See you on the other side!!
    Do you *need* the Bible or God to decide not to steal, lie, covet, murder, and obey your parents (if they're worth obeying, of course - some aren't) . . . do you need God telling you to do those things in order to actually do those things?

    no - I don't think you do.

    And what's with this: "I said earlier that God's intentions doesn't matter to us and that we need to obey his commands."
    I say it absolutely matters what his intentions are if I'm suppose to govern my life according to his whims and will - eh? I'm not in the habit of jumping when random stranger say jump without giving me a good reason for it.

    (the usual bit goes here - how I don't even believe God exists but still live life as a moral individual)
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, it's not. Quote for us - here's the 2012 GOP platform. I'm sure it's in the platform the opposition invented to characterize the GOP platform (parrotted as truth by every partisan out there), but be honest, you've never even read the actual GOP platform have you?
    Taken right out of the platform:

    Faithful to the "self-evident" truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion or fund organizations which perform or advocate it and will not fund or subsidize health care which includes abortion coverage. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life. We oppose the non-consensual withholding or withdrawal of care or treatment, including food and water, from people with disabilities, including newborns, as well as the elderly and infirm, just as we oppose active and passive euthanasia and assisted suicide.

    No exceptions for rape, incest, the life of the mother...etc. The GOP platform opposes Abortion under every circumstance.
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I haven't really seen many people on this thread actually agree with Mourdock's comment. I, at least, have only been arguing that Mourdock was being logically consistent and that he didn't necessarily mean god intended rape itself.
    O, I know, Anagram. I said the very same thing myself in my first post on this thread.

    Don't worry; I'm not planning to have any man on this thread tarred and feathered, though this Indiana fool should stay the hell away from me.

    LOL.

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Taken right out of the platform:

    Faithful to the "self-evident" truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion or fund organizations which perform or advocate it and will not fund or subsidize health care which includes abortion coverage. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life. We oppose the non-consensual withholding or withdrawal of care or treatment, including food and water, from people with disabilities, including newborns, as well as the elderly and infirm, just as we oppose active and passive euthanasia and assisted suicide.

    No exceptions for rape, incest, the life of the mother...etc. The GOP platform opposes Abortion under every circumstance.
    And where does it say they oppose those exceptions (what you orginally stated) or that there will be no exceptions?

    You never read the platform, you assumed from your bias and what you've heard in the echo chamber. Nice try, no cigar.

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And where does it say they oppose those exceptions (what you orginally stated) or that there will be no exceptions?

    You never read the platform, you assumed from your bias and what you've heard in the echo chamber. Nice try, no cigar.
    READ THE FRIGGIN PLATFORM. They have eliminated any exceptions. Please pay attention if you want to participate.
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Do you *need* the Bible or God to decide not to steal, lie, covet, murder, and obey your parents (if they're worth obeying, of course - some aren't) . . . do you need God telling you to do those things in order to actually do those things?

    no - I don't think you do.

    And what's with this: "I said earlier that God's intentions doesn't matter to us and that we need to obey his commands."

    I say it absolutely matters what his intentions are if I'm suppose to govern my life according to his whims and will - eh? I'm not in the habit of jumping when random stranger say jump without giving me a good reason for it.

    (the usual bit goes here - how I don't even believe God exists but still live life as a moral individual)
    I didn't say you needed the Bible to not steal or commit sins. What the Bible can do is change how you feel about sinning.

    You say you are moral. A business man who kills someone affecting his business is also moral. Because he feels inside that its just business not personal. Everyone is moral if they feel they are a "good" person. If you have read the bible it talks a lot more then just believing God is real. Even the demons believe and fear him...if you aren't even on their level then you are in extremely bad shape according to the Bible.

    Study and Exposition of Romans 1:18-32 | Bible.org - Worlds Largest Bible Study Site

    this talks about people suppressing the truth with their sin.

    Having sex before you are married is considered immoral since the beginning of time, so are you telling me you waited? You said you are moral. But you are just saying you are moral based on what YOU think is moral. In that case everyone is some what moral and no one is wrong. Killing people is moral if you are killing only bad people. Stealing from major companies is moral because they rip off people. The list goes on.

    As far as God's plans. I mean we shouldn't be trying to figure that out and question it. But rather do what he says so he can use us in it. God will get done what he wants done. If not through you, then he will find some one else who will obey him. This has happened to me many times, as I did not step up to the plate and before my very eyes, some one else did.

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