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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I will too,losing a job and a violent sexual assault resulting in a pregnancy, are not the same thing they cannot be equated. While I acknowledge losing a job is traumatic, one can be repaired by obtaining a new position and made whole. A rape leaves a scar, for some a very deep emotional scar, that can never be made whole. Saying it was God's will a woman had to endure degradation and the violation of her person in such a horrific manner so that a child could be born is ludicrous, excepting maybe for the most devout person. As a policy of the government, it's insulting.

    You may call the platitude consistent, but consistency is implies a one-size-fits-all response is adequate. It is not.

    EDIT: Fiddy, I didn't ready your reply before typing mine, I was on the previous page as I responded.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I was running out the door, but I will say that the events in question are nowhere near the same. One's temporary loss of a job and being told to pick up one's spirits, that something will come through soon is not the same thing as finding yourself in a position of potentially becoming a parent for the rest of your life-along with psychological trauma associated- (or a future adoption candidate with the knowledge that that child or yourself will have mixed feelings about that whole amount of baggage) because someone decided to rape you.
    Both of your posts basically completely miss my point and zero in on the other portion.

    I'm not suggesting Rape and Losing a Job are comparable traumatic events (they both are traumatic events, no they're not on a similar level).

    What I'm suggesting is that the general mindset of "Life progresses according to God's Will, and if something bad happens one should seek to find what good they can in the outcome and trust thta God's Will shall lead you in the right direction" is not "disgusting" or "unreasonable".

    I SPECIFICALLY made a situation where the bad thing was not as bad as the example in this thread, to highlight exactly what you two have shown...that the issue is not the idea, the issue is your emotional response to the idea being applied consistently even in cases where it may be more painful to accept.

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Zyphlin - I read back to your post in question, here . . . and I'll point out that to some people 'it's god's will' is a phrase given for comfort when someone's dealing with a very difficult situation - to put their mind at ease or at least maybe help relieve stress or try to get them to let go of the personal strain of believing that they can change the unchangeable (like when someone dies tragically)

    To some, though, it's heavy and a firm belief that they base all of their actions on . . . as is this situation of opposing abortion after rape 'because it was god's will' - it's not just words of supposed comfort, it's action aimed at circumventing a perceived 'act of god that shouldn't be tinkered with.'
    An example of using it as a foundation for your actions: if someone lost their job and then someone didn't hire them for another job because "it's god's will that you are unemployed."

    I don't believe in the use of the phrase at all - but I know it's applied differently and that application depends on the intent of the person saying it.

    It's one thing when trying to just give comfort and ease one's difficult situation.
    A whole nother thing to use 'god's will' as a means of deciding what they can or cannot DO.
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Romney believes in a rape exception. Romney's position is more compromising. Romney is a Massachusetts moderate and he used to even support the abominable practice of abortion. Frankly, I don't trust him on this important issue and wish the GOP had selected someone else.

    Mourdock does not support such an exception. Mourdock's position is more reasonable and consistent, even if inspired by religiousity.

    If one is to talk in terms of principle rather than compromise... if one does not support abortion because one affirms the human right to life and human equality, no, there is no more justification to kill humans conceived in rape than any other human. However, the reality is that when abortion is banned again, political forces will probably make a rape exception a necessity. Considering that we're talking about a fraction of a percent of cases, that is far better than the status quo.



    In any event, why would a national Republican presidential candidate support a Republican senate candidate to win a senate seat even if they don't totally agree on the minutia - and it IS minutia - of one social issue? Gee, I don't know. Bizarre.
    Uh huh....alrighty then.

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Both of your posts basically completely miss my point and zero in on the other portion.

    I'm not suggesting Rape and Losing a Job are comparable traumatic events (they both are traumatic events, no they're not on a similar level).

    What I'm suggesting is that the general mindset of "Life progresses according to God's Will, and if something bad happens one should seek to find what good they can in the outcome and trust thta God's Will shall lead you in the right direction" is not "disgusting" or "unreasonable".

    I SPECIFICALLY made a situation where the bad thing was not as bad as the example in this thread, to highlight exactly what you two have shown...that the issue is not the idea, the issue is your emotional response to the idea being applied consistently even in cases where it may be more painful to accept.
    It is an unreasonable response, specifically because the situations are not at all equal. (I'll stick with unreasonable, though I do have a very visceral reaction to it, response.) You cannot divorce the emotion from rape by waving it off and saying it's not the issue. I'll say it again, consistency is a one-size-fits-all response. It is of no value in the circumstance of rape.

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I don't think they're saying rape is Gods intention (this comes from not having read the OP at all, just the thread title), rather that God wants the life conceived, regardless of how it was conceived.
    He is rather unclear on the distinction.

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    Why is finite suffering worth more than the life of a child?
    Why is it the place of the government to decide that?
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Brought to you by the party of "Slaughter the Chlidren".



    Done with your hackiness now?
    Except that liberals and democrats are not the ones constantly sticking their feet into their mouths on the issue....
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Except that liberals and democrats are not the ones constantly sticking their feet into their mouths on the issue....
    Who said anything about this particular issue?

    I thought we were playing "Grossly misrepresent an entire political parties views in a hyperbolic way and proclaim it as their tagline" game? I figured I might as well hop on the hyper partisan horse you latch your wagon to everytime this issue comes up

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Christ almighty - "God intended for you to be raped" is really how his viewpoint comes across - not just from him . . . but anytime I hear it, that's how it really seems to me. That seems to be their underlying point (since he's all-knowing like people who believe claim he is - he knew it would 'come to this' and there it is - God's will be done)

    This is where people's belief in 'God's will' truly nauseates me.

    How can people hold THAT view and think God is somehow a GOOD force? "all things happen because God wants it to" - well then god can go **** himself and so can all the psycho zealot nutters who want to suck him off.
    Welcome to the world of the right wing religious zealot. If Romney gets elected, this sort of thing will become the rule, rather than the exception. Good luck if that happens, women. You're going to need it.
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Who said anything about this particular issue?

    I thought we were playing "Grossly misrepresent an entire political parties views in a hyperbolic way and proclaim it as their tagline" game? I figured I might as well hop on the hyper partisan horse you latch your wagon to everytime this issue comes up
    What gross misrepresentation? How far is it from "god intended it" to "the bitch deserved it"? Either way those in your party are the ones saying the stupid ****, not mine.
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Who said anything about this particular issue?

    I thought we were playing "Grossly misrepresent an entire political parties views in a hyperbolic way and proclaim it as their tagline" game? I figured I might as well hop on the hyper partisan horse you latch your wagon to everytime this issue comes up
    I take it you haven't read the Republican Party platform.
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