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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Here's a yummy update in the news:


    UPDATE: 10/23, 12:00 p.m. -- Mitt Romney's campaign confirmed that he still supports Richard Mourdock and has not asked Mourdock's campaign to pull the ad Romney made in support of his Senate candidacy.

    "Gov. Romney disagrees with Richard Mourdock, and Mr. Mourdock’s comments do not reflect Gov. Romney’s views," Romney campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul said in an email. "We disagree on the policy regarding exceptions for rape and incest but still support him."

    He still supports him? Uhhhhhh, why? Doesn't this belief indicate that Mourdock is a few bricks short of a full load?

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    In the context of this thread, nothing you say here is correct.
    Hey Romney supports this guy.. if he wins, then it must mean that abortion will be banned since that is what this moron and Romney want.
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So...not going to answer my initial question in the first line of the post?
    I was running out the door, but I will say that the events in question are nowhere near the same. One's temporary loss of a job and being told to pick up one's spirits, that something will come through soon is not the same thing as finding yourself in a position of potentially becoming a parent for the rest of your life-along with psychological trauma associated- (or a future adoption candidate with the knowledge that that child or yourself will have mixed feelings about that whole amount of baggage) because someone decided to rape you.
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So...not going to answer my initial question in the first line of the post?
    I will too,losing a job and a violent sexual assault resulting in a pregnancy, are not the same thing they cannot be equated. While I acknowledge losing a job is traumatic, one can be repaired by obtaining a new position and made whole. A rape leaves a scar, for some a very deep emotional scar, that can never be made whole. Saying it was God's will a woman had to endure degradation and the violation of her person in such a horrific manner so that a child could be born is ludicrous, excepting maybe for the most devout person. As a policy of the government, it's insulting.

    You may call the platitude consistent, but consistency is implies a one-size-fits-all response is adequate. It is not.

    EDIT: Fiddy, I didn't ready your reply before typing mine, I was on the previous page as I responded.
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I don't think that's true. Although I disagree with their views, and Akin said a lot that was just factually wrong, I can understand the reasoning behind their views and I think they are logically consistent. I also don't believe they've descended anywhere near the levels of madness as blowing up schools and assassinating 11 year olds.
    But if someone tries to impregnate a 11 y/o, her body will probably shut down to stop it, and if it doesn't, it means God approved it.

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    But if someone tries to impregnate a 11 y/o, her body will probably shut down to stop it, and if it doesn't, it means God approved it.
    Only if she's legitimately raped. See, if you concieve, that's just God saying your rape wasn't real. It all makes sense.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Here's a yummy update in the news:


    UPDATE: 10/23, 12:00 p.m. -- Mitt Romney's campaign confirmed that he still supports Richard Mourdock and has not asked Mourdock's campaign to pull the ad Romney made in support of his Senate candidacy.

    "Gov. Romney disagrees with Richard Mourdock, and Mr. Mourdock’s comments do not reflect Gov. Romney’s views," Romney campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul said in an email. "We disagree on the policy regarding exceptions for rape and incest but still support him."

    He still supports him? Uhhhhhh, why? Doesn't this belief indicate that Mourdock is a few bricks short of a full load?
    Romney believes in a rape exception. Romney's position is more compromising. Romney is a Massachusetts moderate and he used to even support the abominable practice of abortion. Frankly, I don't trust him on this important issue and wish the GOP had selected someone else.

    Mourdock does not support such an exception. Mourdock's position is more reasonable and consistent, even if inspired by religiousity.

    If one is to talk in terms of principle rather than compromise... if one does not support abortion because one affirms the human right to life and human equality, no, there is no more justification to kill humans conceived in rape than any other human. However, the reality is that when abortion is banned again, political forces will probably make a rape exception a necessity. Considering that we're talking about a fraction of a percent of cases, that is far better than the status quo.



    In any event, why would a national Republican presidential candidate support a Republican senate candidate to win a senate seat even if they don't totally agree on the minutia - and it IS minutia - of one social issue? Gee, I don't know. Bizarre.
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    I think there's an important question that this brings up. Is everything that happens God's will? If so, how is there sin? After all, if you're just doing God's will...


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, God intended it | Reuters



    Honestly, I think it is a reasonable and somewhat consistent position, although I don't agree with it. From the standpoint of someone trying to get elected in a close race with an unusually strong Libertarian candidate to splinter the Republican vote, it was just a stupid thing to say though. If it plays anything like Todd Akin's comment did, Joe Donnelly will take the senate seat from the Republicans in Indiana. I'd pretty much given up hope for the Republicans to take the senate this year anyway. Things looking very good for the GOP in 2014 though.
    I guess you could get pretty nuanced and say that, though rape is the work of Satan, life is the work of God. Although that almost makes it seem like God and Satan are in cahoots together in these situations.

    I think the idea that God intends for women to get raped and have children suggests that this God person is pretty f**ked up, though. Why would God do it that way rather than give you the love of your life, who you can marry and have sex with (in that order of course) and populate the world with lots of golden christian children?

    Reminds me of a few years back when some celebrity (I'm going to act like it was Jennifer Hudson, but that may not be accurate) said that the brutal murder of almost her entire family was God sending her a message. I was like damn! Your God doesn't mess around!
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    re: Indiana Republican: When life begins from rape, "God intended" it [W:266]

    One may also note that while, say, Catholics oppose abortion broadly, according to their website, the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS - the Mormons - have this as their official statement:

    Abortion

    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes in the sanctity of human life. Therefore, the Church opposes elective abortion for personal or social convenience, and counsels its members not to submit to, perform, encourage, pay for, or arrange for such abortions.

    The Church allows for possible exceptions for its members when:

    Pregnancy results from rape or incest, or
    A competent physician determines that the life or health of the mother is in serious jeopardy, or
    A competent physician determines that the fetus has severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth.
    The Church teaches its members that even these rare exceptions do not justify abortion automatically. Abortion is a most serious matter and should be considered only after the persons involved have consulted with their local church leaders and feel through personal prayer that their decision is correct.

    The Church has not favored or opposed legislative proposals or public demonstrations concerning abortion.
    Romney is of course, Mormon. It kind of makes sense for his view to mirror the view of his faith...

    Does this really explain the difference? Well, people are people. Biden is staunchly pro-abortion, pro-Roe and he somehow claims to be Catholic. Orrin Hatch is consistently pro-life and he's also a Mormon.

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