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    Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack: emails

    Obama lied, people died!

    ... sound familiar?
    Obama lied... Ambassador Stevens died!

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    Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack: emails

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Meh, Bush got two terms too.
    So, I take it you approved of Bush?

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    Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack: emails

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    So, I take it you approved of Bush?
    Sure didn't. But we're also all still here, so he didn't quite kill us all either.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack: emails

    The White House has dissembled. What matters is why, and that's the puzzle for me.

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    Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack: emails

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    This is the perfect example of starting at the conclusion and working backwards.

    We don't know what other information the White House received. We are given one email that says a group claimed responsibility on facebook and twitter (b/c that's trustworthy intel), and somehow that is supposed to show that it was entirely obvious what happened two hours after the event and the Obama administration is completely incompetent. People should settle down and try not to act like complete hacks for at least two minutes after reading articles like this.

    I also take issue with this quote:



    The administration did not "maintain for days" that attacks were a protest against the film. If anything, officials hinted or suggested that it was the most likely explanation, while caveating that investigations were under way. When asked by reporters in press briefings, the State Department actually refused to link the attack to the video.

    The press has not helped this issue at all. Their articles are just as convoluted and fumbled as the White House has been.
    The problem with this explanation is that if the White House was receiving contradictory intelligence then why did they go all out to sell only one theory about what was going on? Why didn't they admit that the situation wasn't clear?

    Wait! I think I know. They, certain elements of the administration, wanted to sell a particular narrative for political reasons.

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    Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack: emails

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    The White House has dissembled. What matters is why, and that's the puzzle for me.
    I suspect it is because Obama has been trumpeting for months that "al Qaeda is on the run" (part of his stump speech), and his political handlers thought it too embarassing to admit that the cancer of al Qaeda has metastasized under his apologetic administration.
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    Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack: emails

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Sure didn't. But we're also all still here, so he didn't quite kill us all either.
    So, then it's OK for Obama to do it because.....?

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    Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack: emails

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    So, then it's OK for Obama to do it because.....?
    Nope. It's just that we don't have to freak out and pretend that it's the end of the world. It's not like Romney is going to be different anyway.

    Did you read the question I was responding to before you started quoting me? Go back, read, and figure out why you're barking up the wrong tree here.
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    Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack: emails

    Quote Originally Posted by comedy4all View Post
    One maybe two days is the limit of how long I can believe that he did not know that this was an attack. If he did not know that they were being attacked in time to send reinforcements than someone needs to be fired, not resign; FIRED! And after finding out the truth he should not have gone on for 2 weeks telling people (and the U.N.) what he knew to be untrue.
    All he would have needed to say was;

    “We have further information that shows that this was a deliberate attack on our people, we will find the men responsible and hold them to account for their actions!”

    If he had done that he would have proven that he is the man that we need in office.
    He decided that it would be better for him to keep spreading an untruth than to act as a responsible president would.

    As for “It is possible for a militant group to launch a spontaneous attack”; they were attacked at around four in the afternoon, than they were attacked hours later at night. They had hours that could have been used to send in reinforcements.
    This was not a protest that got out of control, this was a deliberate attack!
    I agree with what you're saying, it was a mistake for Obama to come out with the answers before all the information was in, but people do demand answers immediately and it wouldn't look good to many people to delay those answers. Many people have an unrealistic expectation for how fast these processes are, of course each one is unique in itself. For example you have a completely unrealistic understanding of how fast reinforcements can move around the world, a few hours is not enough time unless something is already in the nearby area and is already equipped for quick reaction and small team operations.

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    Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack: emails

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I agree with what you're saying, it was a mistake for Obama to come out with the answers before all the information was in, but people do demand answers immediately and it wouldn't look good to many people to delay those answers. Many people have an unrealistic expectation for how fast these processes are, of course each one is unique in itself. For example you have a completely unrealistic understanding of how fast reinforcements can move around the world, a few hours is not enough time unless something is already in the nearby area and is already equipped for quick reaction and small team operations.
    As I understand it we have ships in the reign. From those ships they can send helicopters with men or air support that would have made anyone that was expecting to attack a wall and a few armed me scared enough to stay away.
    The situation was a breakdown of communication and action. Someone was responsible for situations like this (the military always has people planning for contingencies like this) that person ether did not act or did not get the information and orders to act.
    That part may be beyond the control of the president. What I hold him accountable for is; his job is to make shore that he knows all the information about the situation, direct those under him to find out how this could happen in the first place, make sure that this does not happen again, and assure the American people of the facts and that all the things I mentioned are being done.
    When things like this come out (that the situation room in the white house received communication from the place being attacked) after the president and all of his administration were going on about a video and a protest for 2 WEEKS, it makes it hard to believe that the president was not lying to the American people for political gain.
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