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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    How so? It's true.
    It's a silly distracting because there's no such thing as bipartisan opposition to gay rights.

    This is actually the state affirming seperation of church and state, and is not restricted to homosexuals.
    The bill, SB 349, became known as the “conscience clause” bill because supporters say it would protect the religious rights of faith based adoption and foster placement agencies, many of whom are funded by the state.
    You're being dishonest.
    Democrats voted with them. Looks like bipartisan opposition. Perhaps this is an issue not restricted to political ideology.
    You're doing that thing where you're incredibly dishonest. Please stop. It makes you look like you didn't read the article.

    Then what are they?
    I already showed you 3. Or are you saying they're only 1? You're being dishonest.
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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Anyone who doeant think this is a partisan issue need only to look at the parties respective platforms, while individual members may vary it is quite clear that the parties as a whole are opposed on this. White washing republican opposition to gay rights is being dishonest.

    You can point to gay friendly republicans and anti gay democrats, but it doesnt change the fact that each is a minority within the parties, I fan show you pro gun democrats too, but that doesn't mean the democrats are going to pass a bill allowing national concealed carry.

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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    Are homosexuals not allowed to adopt?
    That depends on the state. It varies.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's a silly distracting because there's no such thing as bipartisan opposition to gay rights.
    If there are both Republicans and Democrats opposing it, it's bipartisan.

    You're being dishonest.
    No, it keeps the state from dictating that a religious organization perform actions inconsistent with their religious beliefs.

    You're doing that thing where you're incredibly dishonest. Please stop. It makes you look like you didn't read the article.
    Again, both Republicans and Democrats oppose gay marriage.

    I already showed you 3. Or are you saying they're only 1? You're being dishonest.
    No, sir. It's you being dishonest. There is no gay right that is solely opposed by the GOP.

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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney - Yahoo! News



    Not sure where I stand on this. On one hand, some people don't find gay rights (or well, just rights) in general. On the other, this feels like black people arguing that Jim Crow rights weren't all that important. However I looked up GOProud and found this:

    "We founded GOProud to provide an unapologetic voice for gay conservatives and their straight allies. Since 2009, we have challenged conventional wisdom, smashed stereotypes and fought like hell for what we believe in."

    ...It feels "odd" to call people allies when they're actively working to deem your relationships as wrong and unworthy of the same societal and cultural benefits their unions get.
    I feel the same way as a black man voting for Mitt. I get it from all sides. Well I know exactly where they are coming from and agree with them.

    I know I was going to vote for Obama. This is getting too close though. His mentioning of a new useless AWB pushed me away permanently.
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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    If there are both Republicans and Democrats opposing it, it's bipartisan.

    No, it keeps the state from dictating that a religious organization perform actions inconsistent with their religious beliefs.
    Again, both Republicans and Democrats oppose gay marriage.

    No, sir. It's you being dishonest. There is no gay right that is solely opposed by the GOP.
    You are now just blatantly lying.
    http://www.gop.com/2012-republican-p...enewing/#Item1
    Right here, in thier party platform, anti gay marraige.
    http://www.democrats.org/democratic-national-platform
    Right here, support for gay marriage.

    There is nothing beyond a few individuals that differ from thier party for your claim. You are simply wrong.

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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by hikari View Post
    You are now just blatantly lying.
    Renewing American Values - GOP
    Right here, in thier party platform, anti gay marraige.
    The Democratic Party Platform | Democrats.org
    Right here, support for gay marriage.

    There is nothing beyond a few individuals that differ from thier party for your claim. You are simply wrong.
    Are you aware that the majority of Black America is both Democrat and anti-gay marriage?

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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Are you aware that the majority of Black America is both Democrat and anti-gay marriage?
    Lots of the polls I have see, make the more evenly split, but it is totally pointless. There are ALWAYS some people who do not agree with thier party, but it is very clear the majority of democrats support gay rights, it is right there in thier platform, just as the majority of republicans are opposed as is right there in the platform.

    Want some numbers? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobile...n_1723295.html and remember this is Marriage, if it were civil unions and/or marriage the numbers would be even higher in democratic support (and to be fair probably higher in republican support too).

    The fact is, the platform is the will of the party collectively, individual members disagrement is not bipartisan, otherwise there is bipartisan support for and against every issue.

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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by hikari View Post
    Lots of the polls I have see, make the more evenly split, but it is totally pointless. There are ALWAYS some people who do not agree with thier party, but it is very clear the majority of democrats support gay rights, it is right there in thier platform, just as the majority of republicans are opposed as is right there in the platform.

    Want some numbers? Democrats Now Strongly Favor Gay Marriage, Pew Research Poll Says and remember this is Marriage, if it were civil unions and/or marriage the numbers would be even higher in democratic support (and to be fair probably higher in republican support too).

    The fact is, the platform is the will of the party collectively, individual members disagrement is not bipartisan, otherwise there is bipartisan support for and against every issue.
    Even when their elected representatives vote against their party platform?

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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Even when their elected representatives vote against their party platform?
    Yes, of course. Want me to find pro gun democrats and pro choice republicans because I can. It wouldn't prove anything, there isn't bipartisan support because a minority in the opposition party votes against thier party line.

    I have already posted more than enough evidence of the majority position, if LGBT republicans think it is worth voting for republicans because of the economy fine, but if they want to imagine the GOP supports LGBT rights then they are deluding themselves.

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