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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    No, of course not. But the democrats don't get people to vote for leaders that want to reduce taxes on people making $250k when they are unemployed or make 30k. I don't know how they do it. another one I have seen recently, a family member (on my wife's side, thankfully) has not had a job in years. The parents pay for their house, she is an ER freak, going from one to the other for attention or drugs I am not sure which. Anyway she was on face book the other day talking about Obama being a communist and singing the praises of Romney. It just amazes me.,
    I'm with you. ER bouncing, drug freak, freeloaders usually vote Democrat. Makes no sense.

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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I see. So, how many "gay rights" issues is the GOP opposing?
    SSM.

    Gays adopting.

    Gays serving.

    There are more...
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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The fallacy is this thread is people assuming "gay rights" means one issue. Same kind of people who would think equal rights of any sort are one issue.
    I disagree that the main fallacy is that gay rights is a single issue.

    There are several comparable morally reprehensible positions that candidates cannot even dream of having, but somehow it is ok to be against equal treatment of gays.

    If a candidate was openly for policies keeping women from being able to function in society on an equal footing with men, they would be rejected by everyone, even if many agreed with them on all their other positions.

    Or if a black woman was not allowed by a hospital to visit her white husband, or make decisions for him when he became unable to do so, no one would support the candidate who said "That's fine by me".

    We would collectively and rightly reject the jerk off. So. While I disagree with Romney on most of what he says (even though it is hard to keep track of all the varying positions he had held on issues), I would reject him outright due to his stand for unequal treatment of gays, even if I agreed with him on everything else that is an issue in this election.
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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Conservative gays do exist, and some of them have very little interest in what you call "LGBT rights."

    Progressives always seem so astonished that there are minorities that don't fit their constricting, stereotypical narrative.
    As I said, I am sure they do. And I know many LGBT people who identify as conservative, but at no point do I hear them say "man, am I glad we can't get married" or conservative transpeople saying "I am going to make sure the politicians don't let me amend my birth certificate to show my proper gender". I do hear them say things like "government is too big", and "regulation stifles our economy".

    Perhaps someone so self hating that they feel they dont deserve to be treated eqaully are out there, it I don't think there is a meaningful number of them.

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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    SSM.

    Gays adopting.

    Gays serving.

    There are more...
    Are homosexuals not allowed to adopt?

    What are the others? Really the only two issues are the OPENLY serving and the SSM issue. I haven't heard of any others. Any adoption issue I imagine would be tied to the SSM issue.
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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    Are homosexuals not allowed to adopt?

    What are the others? Really the only two issues are the OPENLY serving and the SSM issue. I haven't heard of any others. Any adoption issue I imagine would be tied to the SSM issue.
    In many states, you can be fired for being gay for starters. adoption laws, are very murky in most states, even with the marriage issue solved there can still be obstacles. Allowing gay marriage would solve it in most states, however if step parent adoption isn't allowed, it could still have problems in state state.

    What about gay men not being able to donate blood, or since 2005 sperm?

    what about the fact that in more than half of the states it is legal to discriminate against homosexuals and transgender people in housing?

    These are only a small smattering of issues in front of the gay community today. There are tons of issues, and a great deal more when you add the t to the LGBT.

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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    SSM.
    Part of the GOP does seem to oppose this, but so does part of the DNC.

    Gays adopting.
    How?

    Gays serving.
    How?

    There are more...
    Are there?

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    Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I want to know why any gay person would be Republican. It's kind of like African Americans for the KKK.
    Or Martians celebrating Earth Day. Try to be careful with analogies, they can help reveal your handicaps.
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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Part of the GOP does seem to oppose this, but so does part of the DNC.
    What a silly distraction.

    How?
    Well here is an example:



    Virginia Senate passes anti-gay adoption bill | Washington Blade - America's Leading Gay News Source

    How?


    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/us...anted=all&_r=0

    By a vote of 65 to 31, with eight Republicans joining Democrats, the Senate approved and sent to President Obama a repeal of the Clinton-era law, known as ďdonít ask, donít tell,Ē a policy critics said amounted to government-sanctioned discrimination that treated gay and lesbian troops as second-class citizens.
    31 votes in favor of keeping DADT? All 31 Republican? C'man.

    Are there?
    Yes there are. - Now we can play the shuffle and you can try and distract me by continually attempting to make "gay rights" into a single issue or better yet - pointing at the 2 Republicans every now and then who stop being homophobic long enough to get elected but my suggestion would be for you to simply accept that the GOP has an anti-gay agenda.
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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What a silly distraction.
    How so? It's true.

    This is actually the state affirming seperation of church and state, and is not restricted to homosexuals.



    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/us...anted=all&_r=0



    31 votes in favor of keeping DADT? All 31 Republican? C'man.
    Democrats voted with them. Looks like bipartisan opposition. Perhaps this is an issue not restricted to political ideology.

    Yes there are. - Now we can play the shuffle and you can try and distract me by continually attempting to make "gay rights" into a single issue or better yet - pointing at the 2 Republicans every now and then who stop being homophobic long enough to get elected but my suggestion would be for you to simply accept that the GOP has an anti-gay agenda.
    Then what are they?

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