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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    The republican party is a lot different then they are viewed by the left. Although they support traditional marraige in the party platform they also believe in everyone's dignity. The republican National Congressional Committee has spent over 1 million dollars this election cycle supporting an openly gay candidate in Massachusetts. Richard Tisei is the former Lt. governor of Massachusetts.
    Being a social conservative I am not in favor of supporting this candidate as he has openly stated that he will vote for gay marraige and oppose the pro life policies of the party. John Boehner has campaigned for him.
    It's hard to understand sometimes the misperceptions that a lot of people on the left hold about the republican party.
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    Boehner spent Tuesday morning raising money for Republican candidate Richard Tisei, who is openly gay and supports same-sex marraige.

    Tisei, who is running against Rep. John Tierney (D-Mass.), seemed to indirectly address the fact that Boehner opposes gay rights in a statement ahead of their joint breakfast event in Boston.

    "The Speaker understands that he and I do not agree on absolutely everything, and that I will often be a voice of independent leadership -- particularly if it is not in the interests of the Sixth District," Tisei said. "I look forward to working with the Speaker as a voice of reason and moderation in Congress to help solve our nation's problems."

    Tisei campaign spokeswoman Jennifer Drogus declined to respond more specifically when asked about Tisei's take on Boehner's ongoing defense of DOMA. Boehner, along with House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), decided to defend DOMA in court after Attorney General Eric Holder said in February 2011 that he would no longer defend the law because he had determined it to be unconstitutional.

    Boehner campaign spokesman Cory Fritz also demurred when asked to explain how Boehner squares his support for Tisei with his views on gay rights.

    "While they don't agree on every issue, Richard and the Speaker respect one another, and we expect Richard will be a strong, independent voice for his Massachusetts constituents that want a new approach to help create jobs and prosperity," Fritz said in a statement.

    John Boehner, DOMA Defender, Campaigns For Openly Gay GOP Candidate

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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    No, of course not. But the democrats don't get people to vote for leaders that want to reduce taxes on people making $250k when they are unemployed or make 30k. I don't know how they do it. another one I have seen recently, a family member (on my wife's side, thankfully) has not had a job in years. The parents pay for their house, she is an ER freak, going from one to the other for attention or drugs I am not sure which. Anyway she was on face book the other day talking about Obama being a communist and singing the praises of Romney. It just amazes me.,
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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The fallacy is this thread is people assuming "gay rights" means one issue. Same kind of people who would think equal rights of any sort are one issue.
    They are very important issues, but they are still not the totality of "the issues". Gays, like everyone else are concerned about the deficit, the economy, jobs, foreign policy, abortion, and how Obama did on the View.
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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    No, of course not. But the democrats don't get people to vote for leaders that want to reduce taxes on people making $250k when they are unemployed or make 30k. I don't know how they do it. another one I have seen recently, a family member (on my wife's side, thankfully) has not had a job in years. The parents pay for their house, she is an ER freak, going from one to the other for attention or drugs I am not sure which. Anyway she was on face book the other day talking about Obama being a communist and singing the praises of Romney. It just amazes me.,
    if they do not satisfy every best interest you have... why vote for them?

    could it be because they satisfy other interests you have?.. I would wager you and I have prioritized our interests in deciding whom to vote for.... we've probably made trade offs and concessions of our own.

    if I were voting just based on my best interests pertaining to taxes... i'd cast for Romney.( he's the only major candidate who doesn't want to raise my taxes.)
    but I have already cast for Gary Johnson..as he represents my other interests better.

    but yeah, some folks who vote boggle my mind too... but I don't tend to dwell on the hows and whys of those folks...they don't really matter to me, overall.

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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    I think people should vote based on what they feel is most important. I am Republican - that doesn't mean that I agree with every Republican that I vote for, no matter what, under any circumstance. Only a narrow minded person would think that way about any candidate, in my opinion. I have voted democrat in some local elections because I knew the person and knew the values of the person. While I am pro-life and pro-traditional marriage, if I had to choose between those issues and national defense or the economy.... I would make national defense and the economy my priority in choosing the candidate - not two social issues. I find safety and security to be top issues for me. Some things are more important than others and we all have to decide what those things are for ourselves.

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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney - Yahoo! News



    Not sure where I stand on this. On one hand, some people don't find gay rights (or well, just rights) in general. On the other, this feels like black people arguing that Jim Crow rights weren't all that important. However I looked up GOProud and found this:

    "We founded GOProud to provide an unapologetic voice for gay conservatives and their straight allies. Since 2009, we have challenged conventional wisdom, smashed stereotypes and fought like hell for what we believe in."

    ...It feels "odd" to call people allies when they're actively working to deem your relationships as wrong and unworthy of the same societal and cultural benefits their unions get.
    I know Jimmy and Chris quite well and they aren't idiots or playing a game. They work with those conservatives who accept their orientation and usually support gay marriage (their 'straight allies') as well as conservatives from across the spectrum to push their own agenda as conservative Republicans as well as expose people to the notion of Gay Republicans and erode opinions. I know they are also vehement about the compatibility of being gay and conservative as aside from a few obvious issues they believe more or less the same things that their straight compatriots believe about the outstanding issues facing our country.

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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney - Yahoo! News



    Not sure where I stand on this. On one hand, some people don't find gay rights (or well, just rights) in general. On the other, this feels like black people arguing that Jim Crow rights weren't all that important. However I looked up GOProud and found this:

    "We founded GOProud to provide an unapologetic voice for gay conservatives and their straight allies. Since 2009, we have challenged conventional wisdom, smashed stereotypes and fought like hell for what we believe in."

    ...It feels "odd" to call people allies when they're actively working to deem your relationships as wrong and unworthy of the same societal and cultural benefits their unions get.
    They probably feel that some things are more important then SSM.
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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    They probably feel that some things are more important then SSM.
    Why am I not surprised you chimed in with your never ending wisdom on social issues? Again, if gay rights were SSM and just that, it wouldn't be the wedge issue it is.
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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I know Jimmy and Chris quite well and they aren't idiots or playing a game. They work with those conservatives who accept their orientation and usually support gay marriage (their 'straight allies') as well as conservatives from across the spectrum to push their own agenda as conservative Republicans as well as expose people to the notion of Gay Republicans and erode opinions. I know they are also vehement about the compatibility of being gay and conservative as aside from a few obvious issues they believe more or less the same things that their straight compatriots believe about the outstanding issues facing our country.
    Why, yes. And the Log Cabin Republicans have been around a good while.

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    Re: Gay GOP group hesitantly backs Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    They probably feel that some things are more important then SSM.
    They do, and what Jimmy and Chris will both say is that realistically they think the chances, absent a major supreme court victory, of getting gay marriage legitimized by the federal government and by a majority of states is low for the near future. Whereas entitlements that are privatized put options back into their hands that they do not need federal recognition for as far as healthcare and income security are concerned for them and their spouses.

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